August 2013

Interesting that they are even considering moving the TSX from R to S, given that a previous request to move a car with identical HP was shot down with the rationale that 200 stock HP was "too much power for ITS".

The Boxter looks interesting, although at the same weight as the S2K I'm not sure it will be a better pick. Is the flat 6 expected to make more than the 25% power gain?

The Tiburon looks great, on paper at least. That one has me checking the want ads....anybody want to buy a nice Camaro?
 
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We're way past time for allowing double listings (a la BMW E36). Let the competitors decide, not those on top of the ivory towers.

But I ain't gonna waste my breath requesting it again. - GA
 
erlrich said:
Interesting that they are even considering moving the TSX from R to S, given that a previous request to move a car with identical HP was shot down with the rationale that 200 stock HP was "too much power for ITS".

The Boxter looks interesting, although at the same weight as the S2K I'm not sure it will be a better pick. Is the flat 6 expected to make more than the 25% power gain?

The Tiburon looks great, on paper at least. That one has me checking the want ads....anybody want to buy a nice Camaro?
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it's being requested, it was a bit of a debate in the first place, we put it to the members. its not just about power, it's also about achievable weight. we think this car can get to ITR weight, and it overall seemed a better fit there, so there it went. if membership comes in and says "no S!!!" then we can move it. being above 2700 lbs (thicker cage) in either listing makes this decision easier. anything that crosses that threshold when changing classes (by gaining weight) makes us prefer to stay in the faster class so that any existing builds or cars don't need to re-cage.
 
Hopefully the cars will be listed in the right blocks when final. Currently the way it shows in the prelim, the Boxter has ITS listed above it and the Mitsubishi Lancer has ITB above it in the chart. Should be ITR and ITA, correct?
 
erlrich said:
Interesting that they are even considering moving the TSX from R to S, given that a previous request to move a car with identical HP was shot down with the rationale that 200 stock HP was "too much power for ITS".
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No kidding. If they want to move that car to S then that'll open up reprocessing for a number of 190-200hp cars to move to S. I'll be requesting some myself.

R
 
Ralf said:
Hopefully the cars will be listed in the right blocks when final. Currently the way it shows in the prelim, the Boxter has ITS listed above it and the Mitsubishi Lancer has ITB above it in the chart. Should be ITR and ITA, correct?
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The Lancer goes to B and the boxter to R. I've already called in the mitsu, missed the boxter. Thanks for letting us know.
 
ugggg, I had requested the RX8 to be classified through 2009. Since it was only done through 2008 should I resubmit it?

Also Since Lancer is allowed the alternate "OZ package" do you think this sets a precedence and something like the Mazdaspeed package on the RX8 would be allowed if asked?

Stephen
 
Maybe the omission was intentional...the car is only 4 years old. Do we still have the 5-yr-rule in IT...?

- GA

Edit GCR 9.1.3.A: "Cars from the previous four (4) model years and the current model year will not be eligible."
 
Greg Amy said:
Maybe the omission was intentional...the car is only 4 years old. Do we still have the 5-yr-rule in IT...?

- GA

Edit GCR 9.1.3.A: "Cars from the previous four (4) model years and the current model year will not be eligible."
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2013 not eligable current year? I am guessing that eventhough 2014 model years are being released they don't count as a "current year" until january 1st. My mistake. :)
2012 not eligable
2011 not eligable
2010 not eligable
2009 not eligable
 
StephenB said:
Also Since Lancer is allowed the alternate "OZ package" do you think this sets a precedence and something like the Mazdaspeed package on the RX8 would be allowed if asked?

Stephen
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IIRC the OZ package was an actual trim level choice. OZ wheels and a spoiler. I think they wanted it to look like the EVO but had the mundane running gear.

So no, it sets no precedent for dealer installed options that are not currently allowed in the rulebook.
 
erlrich said:
Interesting that they are even considering moving the TSX from R to S, given that a previous request to move a car with identical HP was shot down with the rationale that 200 stock HP was "too much power for ITS".

The Boxter looks interesting, although at the same weight as the S2K I'm not sure it will be a better pick. Is the flat 6 expected to make more than the 25% power gain?

The Tiburon looks great, on paper at least. That one has me checking the want ads....anybody want to buy a nice Camaro?
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No, we ran the Boxster at 25%. Are you taking about the request to move the ITR Camaro to S? I think that was a combination of attainable weight and HP. It's weight in S would have been ridiulously high. The TSX has a stout curb weight to start with and seems to fit better in S, and may not have made the R weight.
 
Ron Earp said:
No kidding. If they want to move that car to S then that'll open up reprocessing for a number of 190-200hp cars to move to S. I'll be requesting some myself.

R
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Not just about HP, also about achievable weight.

But as stock curb weights and achievable race weights rise, so too will the "stock hp range" of cars in each class. So look not only at stock hp, but curb weight before submitting the request.
 
Andy Bettencourt said:
IIRC the OZ package was an actual trim level choice. OZ wheels and a spoiler. I think they wanted it to look like the EVO but had the mundane running gear.

So no, it sets no precedent for dealer installed options that are not currently allowed in the rulebook.
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yup. 15x6 OZ wheels and some decals, a spoiler, etc.. still the lame 2.0L SOHC. the raliart cars that came later got the more potent 2.4L DOHC motor, rear discs, and a bunch of other upgrades. no more precedent than a miata M package. nothing to see here.
 
StephenB said:
2013 not eligable current year? I am guessing that eventhough 2014 model years are being released they don't count as a "current year" until january 1st. My mistake. :)
2012 not eligable
2011 not eligable
2010 not eligable
2009 not eligable
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if there hadn't been the upgrades to the car in 2009 we mightacoulda slipped it in, but it needs more review anyhow to see if it counts as an upgrade / same line or new line. the fact that it's an 09 made it easy to cut it off there and take time to review the changes vs. IT philosophy.
 
Chip42 said:
yup. 15x6 OZ wheels and some decals, a spoiler, etc.. still the lame 2.0L SOHC. the raliart cars that came later got the more potent 2.4L DOHC motor, rear discs, and a bunch of other upgrades. no more precedent than a miata M package. nothing to see here.
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Thanks, I had no idea. I know the MAzdaspeed RX8 package was just cosmetic but it does allow more cooling to the oil coolers so I would obviously like to have it allowed, however it was a dealer option and I don't think offered as a "trim level" from mazda.

Chip42 said:
if there hadn't been the upgrades to the car in 2009 we mightacoulda slipped it in, but it needs more review anyhow to see if it counts as an upgrade / same line or new line. the fact that it's an 09 made it easy to cut it off there and take time to review the changes vs. IT philosophy.
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Yup, transmission is better and it has some cosmetic enhancements. Rear diff has a different cover that allows it to cool better as well. other than that nothing performance wise... oh wait the computer is harder to hack and make power from it so you would want a 2004 computer, after 2005 you have "extra" obstacles to overcome :)

Thanks for the responses, I appreciate it. I know that Steve E. is a great resource if you need any detailed info.

Stephen
 
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