February 2012 Fastrack
- Thread starter Dave Gomberg
- Start date
Ron Earp
Administrator
While a manual might not have been available in 1982 (I'm not clear on that), it was available in other years that make up that generation, 1978 to 1987. But none of the engine output levels would land it in ITR. ITA or ITS is where it'd be classed.
preparedcivic
New member
That request reminds me of that Acura ZDW dude who got all of our panties in a bunch here a while back.
Run that sucker in STU with an engine from an HHR.
Ron Earp
Administrator
Bzzzzzzt. Silly ST 1985 year cut off screws him on that one. Or maybe not, seems I recall something about a chassis that spanned years previous would be allowed.
Hmmmm, Fox bodied Mustangs started in 1979 and ran through 1993, and even into 2004 as the basic chassis. Maybe they'd all be eligible.
Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
Still nothing on the Vette and 240SX ITS car?
Ron Earp
Administrator
El Camino has a manual, someone requests the year with a manual then it should be classed. Philosophical debate as in "we don't want THOSE cars in IT?" Somewhat similar to the one that almost knocked Pony cars out of ITR?
240sx, it is classed already. Is there a problem with the classification?
240sx, it is classed already. Is there a problem with the classification?
Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
Yup. Not at 25%.
Ron Earp
Administrator
So I don't have to look it up, classed too heavy?
One can easily assume. I mean, other thank Kirk, is anyone going to request a reclassification because they're too light...?
Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
One can easily assume. I mean, other thank Kirk, is anyone going to request a reclassification because they're too light...?
Me! ITAC didn't like my 50lbs adder for DW rear.
Yes, too heavy on the 240SX.
Ron Earp
Administrator
One can easily assume. I mean, other thank Kirk, is anyone going to request a reclassification because they're too light...?
Well, your competitor could be asking to have your car reclassified because s/he feels it is too light. You don't have to own a car to request it reclassified.
I've wondered about this no automatic transmission rule, why is it there? Are automatic transmissions really faster and a performance advantage? Less and less cars are being sold with manual transmissions and sometime in the future they might not be available at all as everyone trends towards DSG type transmissions. So is a VW DSG, Porsche PDK, Ford Powershift, e.g. considered manual or automatic?
Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
I think the issue WAS that autos weren't up to the rigors of road-racing. Too much heat, too much wear to survive without extra allowances to beef them up.
Ron Earp
Administrator
I suspect it was more along the lines of "cars that don't have manual transmission options aren't proper sports cars and they don't need to be racing in the SCCA".
I don't like the exclusion of automatics with no provision in the rules to fit a manual transmission. But fitting a manual transmission presents a host of problems starting with what manual transmission can be fitted? Someone might like to race a Buick Reatta but should they be allowed to fit a six speed transmission to it?
I don't see automatics being included into IT anytime soon, with or without manual transmission retrofits.