Grand Plan ?????

seckerich

seckerich

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Feb fastrack is out and still no plan from the IT board. Are we waiting till the year is done or will the CRB get off their collective aXXXX"s and get something done. Getting tired of being told to be patient and just getting the same old crap. With the list of production changes I see the old guard spends all their time kissing each other for their next championship as usual. Get something done or quit wasting discussion and tell us to move on as is. Any response from the board???

Thanks for the effort--same old SCCA :bash_1_: :bash_1_:
 
Originally posted by Fastfred92@Dec 20 2005, 09:15 PM
Steve

Be patient!!!  Some of the same old crap is forthcoming :lol:
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That's right.....

Thank you for your input. :P
 
Originally posted by seckerich@Dec 20 2005, 08:10 PM
Feb fastrack is out and still no plan from the IT board. Are we waiting till the year is done or will the CRB get off their collective aXXXX"s and get something done. Getting tired of being told to be patient and just getting the same old crap. With the list of production changes I see the old guard spends all their time kissing each other for their next championship as usual. Get something done or quit wasting discussion and tell us to move on as is. Any response from the board???

Thanks for the effort--same old SCCA :bash_1_:  :bash_1_:
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FREAKING GROW UP guys! Read the dates on the "February" Fastrack sections... There is at least a 1-2 month flow time from the time decisions are made to the time they are printed... The DECEMBER BoD/CRB meetings have JUST concluded about a week ago, so anything that was determined from that will be coming to a Fastrack near you shortly... It's the same time-line we've been telling you about since you've started bitching...

Go wax your car or something... surely there is SOMETHING that needs to be done to it before next season besides whatever you might think it coming in the next Fastrack... :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Banzai240@Dec 21 2005, 08:42 AM
FREAKING GROW UP guys!  Read the dates on the "February" Fastrack sections...  There is at least a 1-2 month flow time from the time decisions are made to the time they are printed...  The DECEMBER BoD/CRB meetings have JUST concluded about a week ago, so anything that was determined from that will be coming to a Fastrack near you shortly...  It's the same time-line we've been telling you about since you've started bitching...

Go wax your car or something... surely there is SOMETHING that needs to be done to it before next season besides whatever you might think it coming in the next Fastrack...  :rolleyes:
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Darin,
Ease up man, I was just joking.... and as for Steve, well his car seems ready if it wasnt for those evil e36's down here in the south east :happy204:
 
Originally posted by Fastfred92@Dec 21 2005, 09:50 AM
Darin,
Ease up man, I was just joking.... and as for Steve, well his car seems ready if it wasnt for those evil e36's down here in the south east  :happy204:
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I usually wax it between sessions--so yes, it is ready. It just gets old after the last 2 years of being told quote "we are aware of the problems and they will be addressed" to still be waiting on something other than lip service. Yet we have time to make sure that every 40-50 year old midget wont have to race without a limited prep motor. :119: :119: Starting to get the picture?? I appreciate the work of the IT board but expect results from the comp board in a little more timely manner. I have paid my dues in this club and feel I have worked plenty to have grounds to complain. So please Darin--take your own advice. Or if bored you can help me wax while we wait!!!
 
Darin,
Anything ever happen with the weight placement? If I remember right you were going to suggest the weight placement be allowed where the passanger seat was along with the foot well area?
dj
 
Man Steve, you haven't been around too long have you?

The IT advisory commitee has been working at lightning speed in SCCA terms. It's been a major project, and some details have taken some time to be sure, but overall it's happened quite quick. Remember when there were no competition adjustments of any kind in IT? As for the CRB. It's a fresh crew for 2006, two new faces and a new chair. If you have a burning concern, zap them a note, I know I am.
 
Originally posted by seckerich@Dec 21 2005, 12:33 PM
I usually wax it between sessions--so yes, it is ready. It just gets old after the last 2 years of being told quote "we are aware of the problems and they will be addressed" to still be waiting on something other than lip service. Yet we have time to make sure that every 40-50 year old midget wont have to race without a limited prep motor. :119:  :119: Starting to get the picture?? I appreciate the work of the IT board but expect results from the comp board in a little more timely manner. I have paid my dues in this club and feel I have worked plenty to have grounds to complain. So please Darin--take your own advice. Or if bored you can help me wax while we wait!!!
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Steve,

Any issues you are specifically looking for closure on?
 
Actually, the more I think about ( I know scary ) if the board would just make public the magical formula used to class cars and the way they intend to determine what causes a comp adjustment ( results, bitching etc. ) and how a comp adjustment is applied we would resolve 90% of questions on this forum. Being a member driven club I still dont know why this stuff is so secret and why the board seems to think we cant handle it. We would find other things to complain about but hey it is a start.
 
Originally posted by Andy Bettencourt@Dec 21 2005, 02:40 PM
Steve,

Any issues you are specifically looking for closure on?
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I am helping some new people to get into racing and helping with a new Mazda for ITS. I was hoping that the weight issues (location and amount) would be final and we could get them ready for school. I know this is no problem to send them as is but I want to make decisions as to if I plan to run ITS myself this year. I spent a ton of money last year with a knife at a gunfight and have no plans to continue. I would think at this point we would know if "the plan" was accepted or not, even if details are to follow.
 
Originally posted by Fastfred92@Dec 21 2005, 02:49 PM
Actually, the more I think about ( I know scary ) if the board would just make public the magical formula used to class cars and the way they intend to determine what causes a comp adjustment ( results, bitching etc. ) and how a comp adjustment is applied we would resolve 90% of questions on this forum. Being a member driven club I still dont know why this stuff is so secret and why the board seems to think we cant handle it.  We would find other things to complain about but hey it is a start.
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Fred,

There are many forums here where we have described the process. One more time, for you.

Stock hp * estimated increase in IT prep = Crank HP in IT prep.

Crank IT-prep hp * target pw/weight for class +/- variables.

The variables we call 'adders'. A subjective addition/subtraction of weight based on many potential factors including: brake size, aero, drivetrain layout, tranny ratios, suspension design, etc.

The reason we don't want to publish the pw/ratios for each class is simple. Everyone would start running their cars through the process without all the info we have and the letters would start coming in like gangbusters. You used "X" for HP and I have "Y". I get "X" for a weight and you tell me "Y".

You can extrapolate the general numbers by looking at what has currently been classified ie: NX2000, SE-R etc. Again, there is no 'formula', just a process that I could explain on any car we have worked on. In addition, all the cars in the GCR that have NOT been put through could stick out as overdogs or underdogs...that is what our proposal to the CRB hopes to correct.

There are no 'comp adjustments' in IT. We put PCA's into the rules to be able to correct an error in classification but in no way are we going to make small adjustments to try and balance each class on the head of a pin. The request before the CRB is a one-time "re-alignment" or "correction" in order to run the cars we have on track now through the process in an effort to eliminate class overdogs and underdogs. Not individual car specific, but a category-wide process.

And I disagree completely that it would eliminate 90% of the discussions. Ever since we have laid this out, as best we can, the classification topics have all but been eliminated - now it's Rules Nerd city. That is a good thing IMHO.

AB
 
Originally posted by seckerich@Dec 21 2005, 06:33 PM
It just gets old after the last 2 years of being told quote "we are aware of the problems and they will be addressed" to still be waiting on something other than lip service.
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Apparently all the reclassifications, PCA implementation, and other rule changes/adjustements we've put through over the past two years have just been "lip service"...

Sorry you feel that way...

Classic case of "what have you done for me lately..."... :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by seckerich@Dec 21 2005, 04:04 PM
I am helping some new people to get into racing and helping with a new Mazda for ITS. I was hoping that the weight issues (location and amount) would be final and we could get them ready for school. I know this is no problem to send them as is but I want to make decisions as to if I plan to run ITS myself this year. I spent a ton of money last year with a knife at a gunfight and have no plans to continue. I would think at this point we would know if "the plan" was accepted or not, even if details are to follow.
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Steve,

We have not received anything back from the CRB on our proposal. It is not that they are moving slowly, just that they got it late as we kept tweaking and trying to do our best. I am sorry that it is putting a speedbump in your plans but I am confident we will hear something soon.

As far as weight, I don't know anything that is open. I will look into that for you. This is the 2006 GCR print.

"Ballast may be used. All ballast shall be located in the
front passenger footwell area, aft of the firewall and any
footwell angle, and forward of the OEM front passenger seat
location.
1. It shall be in segments no heavier than fifty (50) pounds,
and shall be capable of being removed to be weighed
apart from the car.
2. Each segment shall be fastened with a minimum of two
(2) one-half (1/2) inch bolts and positive lock nuts of
SAE Grade 5 or better, and shall utilize large-diameter,
load-distributing washers.
3. Holes may be drilled in the front passenger footwell
floorpan for purposes of mounting the ballast (only), and
said floorpan may be reinforced as required for the same
purpose."
 
Thanks Andy, at least no answer is better than no. I am well aware of the current rule for ballast, but was under the impression that it was going to be allowed in the passenger seat area in the future.

Darin--The overdog is still there--PCA or not. The restrictor was a bad joke.
 
Originally posted by seckerich@Dec 21 2005, 04:20 PM
Thanks Andy, at least no answer is better than no. I am well aware of the current rule for ballast, but was under the impression that it was going to be allowed in the passenger seat area in the future.

Darin--The overdog is still there--PCA or not.  The restrictor was a bad joke.
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Darin and I are looking into any further ballast items on the block. Not sure there are any.

As to the RP, it wasn't a bad joke, it was a well meaning solution to a problem by the CRB that didn't turn out to work well. That issue is also on teh CRB's plate.

AB
 
Guys, not to be a pest, but with the CRB timing on acting on the ITAC proposal soon is that this year, or for the start of next? No guarantees I know, but also trying to think through some things for a friend of mine who is trying to decide between S and A. Right now, A looks better. If the BMW problem is solved, S is a lot of fun.
 
Originally posted by JeffYoung@Dec 21 2005, 04:58 PM
Guys, not to be a pest, but with the CRB timing on acting on the ITAC proposal soon is that this year, or for the start of next?  No guarantees I know, but also trying to think through some things for a friend of mine who is trying to decide between S and A. Right now, A looks better.  If the BMW problem is solved, S is a lot of fun.
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I hope that any changes would be for the 2006 season via Fast Track but it could very well be a 2007 implementation.

I think ITA is as good of a class as it gets...hence our entry in 2006! Having all the MSN Integra's, the BBR 240's and Greg's ultra-fast NX2000 up here will be a real nice yard stick.

AB
 
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