16v
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http://www.scca.org/news/press03_146.html
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Doug
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Doug
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I'm sorry, but my dues are subsidizing this??
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I think it's more likely the promoter is paying the SCCA a sanctioning fee. I hope so. Either way, it's lame.
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
I'm going to regret writing publicly on the record about this and putting my opinion out there, but i dont see a problem with SCCA associating itself to drifting. I think before anyone can have an opinion about this, they should read the article in last months SPORTSCAR about this years first event. It went over quite well, in terms of attendence and exposure for ppl to SCCA and its other events. I personally dont care for the activity of drifting, whether it be a sport or loosely termed competition. But i dont see it as a problem for SCCA to simply use it as a vehicle for promotion of its other programs. And with the amount of ppl it gathered, I doubt SCCA will be on the paying end of the stick.
Dave Burchfield
New member
One can view this from two different angles. Being an optomistic sort, I will look at it from this direction:
- SCCA is the sanctioning body, therefore the promoter pays a fee for the right to use the sanction.
- SCCA administers the program, paid for by the promoter.
- Thousands of new people with tons of disposable income are introduced to SCCA, and as a result, learn about other activities available to them within the club.
- New TV exposure to SCCA is provided via the new drifting program to the general public at the expense of the promoters.
If you have attended the SEMA show recently, you would have seen the huge interest in this market that is somewhat untapped by organized road racing in general. I see this as an opportunity for SCCA to move into a market that has been left to others for too long a time. It's a reality, why shouldn't SCCA capatalize on the opportunity?
The other view:
- Drifting is stupid....I don't want them in MY club. They can take their person, car, and dollars elsewhere.........
Being a greybeard myself, I understand the resistance to anything new and different, but, it is going to happen and if SCCA can benefit from it, I say so be it.
db
190926
CenDiv ITS #74
- SCCA is the sanctioning body, therefore the promoter pays a fee for the right to use the sanction.
- SCCA administers the program, paid for by the promoter.
- Thousands of new people with tons of disposable income are introduced to SCCA, and as a result, learn about other activities available to them within the club.
- New TV exposure to SCCA is provided via the new drifting program to the general public at the expense of the promoters.
If you have attended the SEMA show recently, you would have seen the huge interest in this market that is somewhat untapped by organized road racing in general. I see this as an opportunity for SCCA to move into a market that has been left to others for too long a time. It's a reality, why shouldn't SCCA capatalize on the opportunity?
The other view:
- Drifting is stupid....I don't want them in MY club. They can take their person, car, and dollars elsewhere.........
Being a greybeard myself, I understand the resistance to anything new and different, but, it is going to happen and if SCCA can benefit from it, I say so be it.
db
190926
CenDiv ITS #74
I have not viewed Drifting & have nothing against it or the SCCA promoting it.
We who have grown up in parts of the country where there is ice & snow have enjoyed playing on the sippery stuff. Can ou say car control. Of course,I being a greybeard & a rear wheel kind of guy maybe I am different.
Have Fun
David
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We who have grown up in parts of the country where there is ice & snow have enjoyed playing on the sippery stuff. Can ou say car control. Of course,I being a greybeard & a rear wheel kind of guy maybe I am different.
Have Fun
David
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I have worked a couple of NASA hyperfest events that had drifting. I will say it was the single most watched event of the weekend next to the bikini contest. There were some talented drivers that could make a car dance, I was impressed.
I agree with Dave. I think it will draw spectators to an otherwise weakly attended event. It is a spectator sport, which you don't really have to know the nuances to enjoy.
SCCA needs to get more into the import scene. I think ricemobiles with their big wheels useless wings and cantaloupe shooter exhausts look silly, but I support their right to express themselves. They have some serious money in their rides, and love to show them off. If local SCCA regions can benefit from the ticket sales, I think they should oblige.
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Enjoy,
Bill
I agree with Dave. I think it will draw spectators to an otherwise weakly attended event. It is a spectator sport, which you don't really have to know the nuances to enjoy.
SCCA needs to get more into the import scene. I think ricemobiles with their big wheels useless wings and cantaloupe shooter exhausts look silly, but I support their right to express themselves. They have some serious money in their rides, and love to show them off. If local SCCA regions can benefit from the ticket sales, I think they should oblige.
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Enjoy,
Bill
Our new president has been very active in promoting SCCA and expanding it's membership base. I think most of the membership realizes that the "mid life crises racing league (SCCA)" membership is predominately over 40 and several attempts to bring younger folks into SCCA have been initiated over the years. (Speed Freakz, First Gear)
Drifting is another such attempt. The difference with drifting and some of the previous efforts is the huge appeal of import tuners and drifting. Even the American auto manufacturers are making serious efforts in the tuner market.
If the goal is to improve SCCA exposure, expand it's membership base, bring younger folks into SCCA and improve SCCA's bottom line I think it's a very smart move.
Drifting is another such attempt. The difference with drifting and some of the previous efforts is the huge appeal of import tuners and drifting. Even the American auto manufacturers are making serious efforts in the tuner market.
If the goal is to improve SCCA exposure, expand it's membership base, bring younger folks into SCCA and improve SCCA's bottom line I think it's a very smart move.
Bottom line: drifting is about car enthusiasts and the use of their car. I dont want my result determined by "judges" who like ice skating may have their own agenda but then I dont understand all about this generation anyway.
I have a proposal right now on my desk for a drifting event attached to an Arts Festival in the City of Knoxville. They used to sponsor a street autoX but in the end we did not attract enough folk to the event(100 entries was our upper limit) Events like NOPI etc are where its at; like it or not we may not be in control here and we can either watch or participate.
I have a proposal right now on my desk for a drifting event attached to an Arts Festival in the City of Knoxville. They used to sponsor a street autoX but in the end we did not attract enough folk to the event(100 entries was our upper limit) Events like NOPI etc are where its at; like it or not we may not be in control here and we can either watch or participate.
The good news is that nobody is going to force anyone to enter drifting competitions - just like nobody could make me endure the torture of a TSD rally ever again in my life. The point is "to each, his own."
I think it's a great idea for all of the reasons mentioned already and would suggest that it's a foot in the door to help young people take cars and driving more seriously: Maybe we can save a life or two along the way.
I wonder what the "motoring" establishment thought of that "dangerous element" that wanted to tear around country roads in New York in their MGs, back in the late 1940s...
K
I think it's a great idea for all of the reasons mentioned already and would suggest that it's a foot in the door to help young people take cars and driving more seriously: Maybe we can save a life or two along the way.
I wonder what the "motoring" establishment thought of that "dangerous element" that wanted to tear around country roads in New York in their MGs, back in the late 1940s...
K
planet6racing
New member
As if entry fees weren't expensive enough, the insurance rates for road races are going to go up.
Why, you ask?
How many times have you been to an autocross where there were "enthusiasts" present with their "tricked out" cars? How many times have these "enthusiasts,' upon deciding it was time to go, left in a fashion that was less than desirable? How many of the autocross sites keep tabs on this and raise rates to prevent autocross clubs from coming back?
Case and point. I was at a lapping day at Road America. Some spectator thought it would be cool to do burn-outs on Hwy 67, about 1 mile from the track. Said spectator was observed by some of the locals leaving the track, then doing the burn-outs. RA management got wind of it and that club is no longer welcome back.
I'm all for getting new members, especially younger members. The SCCA needs to make sure that EVERYONE at these events behaves like an adult during all aspects associated with the event, including leaving the neighborhood/wherever they are.
But, as others on other boards have said, the drifters probably won't like all ther rules they'll have to deal with now in the SCCA, so this will probably have a short life.
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
Why, you ask?
How many times have you been to an autocross where there were "enthusiasts" present with their "tricked out" cars? How many times have these "enthusiasts,' upon deciding it was time to go, left in a fashion that was less than desirable? How many of the autocross sites keep tabs on this and raise rates to prevent autocross clubs from coming back?
Case and point. I was at a lapping day at Road America. Some spectator thought it would be cool to do burn-outs on Hwy 67, about 1 mile from the track. Said spectator was observed by some of the locals leaving the track, then doing the burn-outs. RA management got wind of it and that club is no longer welcome back.
I'm all for getting new members, especially younger members. The SCCA needs to make sure that EVERYONE at these events behaves like an adult during all aspects associated with the event, including leaving the neighborhood/wherever they are.
But, as others on other boards have said, the drifters probably won't like all ther rules they'll have to deal with now in the SCCA, so this will probably have a short life.
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
I doubt that an SCCA sanction of drifting will have much impact on the club part of SCCA. It seems that these will be mostly professional spectator events, not amatuer competitions. If some people under 25 find out about SCCA and choose to get involved with the various activities that the club portion organizes, then great.
A group of us SCCA "grayhairs" spent last Friday at a public event at Luke AFB here in the valley. The purpose was to introduce the Luke population to what we do. We use a facilty that is adjacent to the base, and we often have Luke people "wander" over when racing is going on. We had some interest (maybe 20% of the crowd stopped by to look at our RX7 and SFR) and of that maybe 10 or 20% had some genuine interest. Most wanted to talk drag cars or street racing.
Some of the base officials are considering organizing a group of interested people on base to build and race a couple of cars, so they asked us out to help gauge the potential interest. Looking for ways to keep the young airmen out of trouble.
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A group of us SCCA "grayhairs" spent last Friday at a public event at Luke AFB here in the valley. The purpose was to introduce the Luke population to what we do. We use a facilty that is adjacent to the base, and we often have Luke people "wander" over when racing is going on. We had some interest (maybe 20% of the crowd stopped by to look at our RX7 and SFR) and of that maybe 10 or 20% had some genuine interest. Most wanted to talk drag cars or street racing.
Some of the base officials are considering organizing a group of interested people on base to build and race a couple of cars, so they asked us out to help gauge the potential interest. Looking for ways to keep the young airmen out of trouble.
[This message has been edited by pgipson (edited November 09, 2003).]
Are you sure about that Komrade?
Communinism. Pure and simple.
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
I can't wait for the SCCA sanctioned Riceboy Nationals Car Show and Burnout Contest.
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
mumbles027
New member
i am surprised at the lack of openness. scca is in auto cross, road racing, pro rally and probably more i don't even know about. why not drifting? it is all about being able to drive your car in a safe manner and not on the street. personally i would rather have the scca deal with these drifters rather than the local pd. and maybe these young wipper snappers might make some less than faverable moves, but the attitudes between the generations doen't help.
Hotshoe
New member
I'm all for it. I believe that this type of competition should be based on the same principals as solo racing.
I will probably give it a try myself. I still enjoy a little dirt track racing now and then so maybe this would be a fun alternative. It does teach good car control, and maybe with proper supervision good manners.
Rick Thompson
I will probably give it a try myself. I still enjoy a little dirt track racing now and then so maybe this would be a fun alternative. It does teach good car control, and maybe with proper supervision good manners.
Rick Thompson
IMHO, drifting does not make a good fit for the SCCA beyond a way to chase dollars and pander to "what's hip now." It is a judged competition, which goes against the other facets of SCCA competition. Then there's the ancillary elements of the "culture."
While the Civic is arguably the small-block Chevy of the present and future, a lot of the "me too's" in the scene and other elements are no different than the popularity of "sport trucks" 10 or so years ago. This too shall pass.
It's one thing to adapt/pander/cater to that demographic by adding style over substance elements to World Challenge, but this is a bit much.
I feel that in today's "gimme now" society, kids weaned on instant gratification video games have no interest in applying the time and effort to learning a specialized skillset for Solo, IT, HPDE, etc. Instead, they'd rather shell out the same amounts of dollars for overwrought stereo equipment and gaudy go-fasters. See also, bracket racing.
Instead of going this route, SCCA should put together a substantial national Solo-focused ad campaign, along with concurrent local ads with Regions. Also, an HPDE program of some sort would be a much better fit within the context of the SCCA than glorified donut competitions.
However, I do enjoy "drifting," it's just called driving an old 535i with a limited-slip in the snow!
I must be an old 27.
-jde
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J.D. Ellis
OVR #71 ITS Olds Calais
[email protected]
While the Civic is arguably the small-block Chevy of the present and future, a lot of the "me too's" in the scene and other elements are no different than the popularity of "sport trucks" 10 or so years ago. This too shall pass.
It's one thing to adapt/pander/cater to that demographic by adding style over substance elements to World Challenge, but this is a bit much.
I feel that in today's "gimme now" society, kids weaned on instant gratification video games have no interest in applying the time and effort to learning a specialized skillset for Solo, IT, HPDE, etc. Instead, they'd rather shell out the same amounts of dollars for overwrought stereo equipment and gaudy go-fasters. See also, bracket racing.
Instead of going this route, SCCA should put together a substantial national Solo-focused ad campaign, along with concurrent local ads with Regions. Also, an HPDE program of some sort would be a much better fit within the context of the SCCA than glorified donut competitions.
However, I do enjoy "drifting," it's just called driving an old 535i with a limited-slip in the snow!
I must be an old 27.
-jde
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J.D. Ellis
OVR #71 ITS Olds Calais
[email protected]
I'd forgotten I had this file on my HD:
http://www.jdellis.net/hownottodrift.mpeg (~1.6M
"Welcome to the SCCA Condo Complex Drift Nationals, and here's our first contestant in Mom's hand-me-down teal Corolla..."
;-)
-jde
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J.D. Ellis
OVR #71 ITS Olds Calais
[email protected]
http://www.jdellis.net/hownottodrift.mpeg (~1.6M
"Welcome to the SCCA Condo Complex Drift Nationals, and here's our first contestant in Mom's hand-me-down teal Corolla..."
;-)
-jde
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J.D. Ellis
OVR #71 ITS Olds Calais
[email protected]
Russ Myers
New member
Gee, that's what it's called. And to think, I've been doing it for years at autocrosses in my old Datsun 280-Z