John Stim Memorial Regional 6/19/2004 MoHu LRP

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RSTPerformance

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Where's my ITA brothers? 15? We had 29 registered at the last LRP race. I hope everyone still isn't sore about the double yellow race.
 
I am really surprised there are only 15 in ITA so far. ITA & SM should be...interesting. Bringing extra yellow body tape to this one.

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Dave Gran
NER #13 ITA
'87 Honda Prelude
 
16 now!
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Ray
 
My mechanical repairs are done (new subframe, many new left rear suspension parts). Now it's off to the body shop, where I will need a new door and quarter. Should be done in time for the race, knock wood.

/Steve U
05 ITS
 
FrankenRabbit is being assembled. Joel High's Rabbit had no engine and trans. My Rabbit's chassis was too twisted to fix. It has donated its internals to Joel. The engine was started yesterday. Joel should be there.
 
SRX-7 - I'm surprised the typical ITA RX-7s are not registered for this. Are there big differences between an ITA prepared RX-7 and a SRX-7?

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Dave Gran
NER #13 ITA
'87 Honda Prelude
 
SRX-7s are one of the many spec RX-7 classes. I presume that it is offered in another region that falls under the NESCCA banner.

All this NARRC and NESSCA And NERRC stuff gets confusing.
An ITA RX-7 would not be legal for SRX-7.

Around here, the only RX-7s that run are all IT prepped, and can only race in IT-7, which has been frowned upon as the powers that be want consistant car counts of 6 or more to warrant adding a class.

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]
 
SRX-7 is an official group this weekend! They are with ITB so we shall have to see how they compaire.

SCHEDULE
Friday June 18,2004 Registration open 6:30pm until 10pm
Saturday June 19, 2004
7AM TO 11AM Registration Open
7:15AM Tech Open
9am Qualifying by Race Groups 20 min.
Following Qualifying - NYSSRC & NARRC RACES 17 LAPS or 23 min.
A lunch break will be held- if time permits Group 1 may race before lunch.

RACE GROUPS
1. GT 1-3,AS,T1,T2,ITE,SPO
2. SSM ,SSB, SSC, ITC
3. SRF, GT4,GT5, E-HP, Legends, SPU
4. CF, NCF, FV, F 500 8. NeDiv Historic Series H1-H5
5. ITS, SRX7, ITB
6. ITA, NARRC SM, SM
7. FA,FC,FM,S2000,DSR,CSR,FF,FSCCA, SRSCCA ,CFC

to answers someones question these are taken directly from the supps for this weekend.....

"NEDIV HISTORIC & SRX7 –These rules can be found on the NNJR & NYSRRC websites respectively."


thaught this was interesting to....

"OVERSUBSCRIBED GROUPS: Every effort will be made to allow all entrants a chance to race. This
means we may have to change race groups. It is possible that your class may be moved to an earlier
race group, please plan accordingly. In the event that there are more than 38 cars entered in a group, the
following procedure applies. Each car's qualifying time is compare as a percentage of the leader's time in
that class. (Example: Your time is 65 seconds, the class leader has 60 seconds. The comparison is 65/60 x
100=108%.) Cars with the highest percentages become alternates for the race, to the point where the field
is filled. Cars beyond 120% may be excluded. In single class race groups, the fastest 38 will qualify. If
possible there may be a non-points, non trophy consolation race for those that do not qualify."

Stephen
 
Well, it will be interesting to see if any SRX-7s show. I will be surprised to see any.

Also, the grouping is very weird. ITA, SSM, and SM in the same group???

Here's a bet: They ADD a group, and ITA races alone, or with SSM.

The numbers from the last LRP race for those classes add up to a potential group of around 80 cars!

I'm sure there is a logic to the plan, but frankly, I need to have it explained to me.

The only explanation I can see is that MoHud anticipates much lower subscription across the board. But even so, I can't remember the last LRP race that had less than 20 ITA cars, and SM, AND SSM has been well over 20 cars for a long time as well. With a limit of 38, I can't see how these 3 classes make for a good group.

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]
 
Jake,

I think that based on the last LRP race, SM and ITA would be about 45 cars. It's SSM that was huge, right?

SSM shows in group 2, not 6 - right?

AB



[This message has been edited by ITSRX7 (edited June 06, 2004).]
 
Originally posted by ITSRX7:
Jake,

I think that based on the last LRP race, SM and ITA would be about 45 cars. It's SSM that was huge, right?

SSM shows in group 2, not 6 - right?

AB

[This message has been edited by ITSRX7 (edited June 06, 2004).]
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That is correct. NARRC SM and SM are in one group and then you have SSM in another group by themselves. who would have thought... 3 miata classes. and we can't get one more IT class go figure?

I Think we should just create IT2. I don't understand why we can't create it since we would have more than 6 cars per event. I am not in the class but I will ask for it at the next bored meeting if 6 poeple will gaurentee they enter for the rest of the year and we use some set of rules I can give them.


Stephen
 
Stephen,

I don't think that is a good idea. IT2 isn't (IMHO) a legitamate IT class. It IS a legitimate idea that has seen some traction in bits and pieces (Neon and SE-R to ITA, etc...) but a close look excludes rear drive as a rule. It is based on design as well as performance envelope. Seems like someting NASA should be interested in, but not the SCCA.

If and when PCA's go through, this stuff will sort itself out. IMO, the real class that is needed is one ABOVE ITS.

What is the difference between NARRC SM and SM? Didn't the NEDiv spec in the Toyo as a unit?

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region
www.flatout-motorsports.com
 
Originally posted by ITSRX7:
What is the difference between NARRC SM and SM? Didn't the NEDiv spec in the Toyo as a unit?
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That's my question as well. I thought "NARRC SM" would be SSM. Maybe we are all missing something, but three SM classes is a little odd.

IF my motor gets back to me this week, I will probably be racing in ITA (finally). However, my motor guy has already hinted that it might not be ready.

Yes, there is a long story to go along with my motor issues.
 
According to the supps, as best I can tell:

- SSM = your basic NEDiv Showroom Spec Miata, last year's SM rules (with Toyos)

- NARRC SM = Nationally-published (GCR) Spec Miata rules with the addition of a spec tire, the Toyo.

- SM = Nationally-published (GCR) Spec Miata rules without a spec tire, also known as Spec Miata Tire (SMT).

The confusion comes in because the GCR-published SM rules state that "...individual regions may require spec tires". However, recall in the initial negotiations for GCR SM rules that if a region specs a tire then they must also accomodate anyone that wishes to race but does not have the spec tire (thus, SMT). It is unlikely that anyone will arrive to compete in Spec Miata without Toyos, but they must be accomodated if they do. Therefore, when considering the potential participation of the race groups, the expected SM/SMT numbers can be expected to be low. Unless...

...read back what Stephen wrote in regards to bumping. If I were a slow "NARRC SM" or SSM guy, I'd change my entry to SM/SMT, thereby guaranteeing myself a place in the roster. MoHud should be prepared to accomodate 100% of the entries of the various Spec Miata classes; any car prepared to SSM rules can choose from one of three classes in order to guarantee their inclusion. Further, any NARRC SM-prepared car has one of two classes. The only persons that will be limited to one choice are those that arrive with something other than Toyos, and the numbers of those will be very low.

Good luck.

Greg
 
As for adding a class, I still have the ITA-LITE stickers on my MR2. All you RX7's are invited to play too!

As for the "You may have to run earlier" thing - that is expressly forbidden in the GCR. However, I can see the run groups looking like: 1, 6a, 6b, 6c, 6d, 6e, 7, 8 to get around it
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Originally posted by ITSRX7:
Stephen,

I don't think that is a good idea. IT2 isn't (IMHO) a legitamate IT class. It IS a legitimate idea that has seen some traction in bits and pieces (Neon and SE-R to ITA, etc...) but a close look excludes rear drive as a rule. It is based on design as well as performance envelope. Seems like someting NASA should be interested in, but not the SCCA.

If and when PCA's go through, this stuff will sort itself out. IMO, the real class that is needed is one ABOVE ITS.

What is the difference between NARRC SM and SM? Didn't the NEDiv spec in the Toyo as a unit?

AB
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We should be able to create any class we want with any rules. This is exactly what the Spec miata guys did. I should even be able to make an Audi class with it's own rules If I could promise at least 6 cars. Thats all the sm guys did. It doesn't really matter to me but someone like Gregg or any of the other IT2 guys or even the IT lite guys might want the class. Jsut a thought. Everyone always wnats a class between ITS and ITA so why don't we just make one. IT shouldn;t be that hard as long as we make some clear rules. SM basically took SS rules with some mods we can tkae IT rules with some mods. Easy as that. Like I said it doesn't benifit me in anyway I was jsut kinda wondering why we never did this before.

Stephen
 
Not quite as simple as that. Other wise we'd have like 80 IT classes.

And IT lite might benefit you, not that it really matters. (And yes, I get where you're coming from) You might not have some of the cars being moved into B - instead they could be put into IT lite.

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Dave Gran
NER #13 ITA
'87 Honda Prelude
 
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