This is going to overlap into the general discussion about the class. All those are cool cars and I would enjoy racing one and watching them race. However, that is totally irrelevant to the question of whether they should be classed in ITS. ITS is getting faster and I am all for that as long as it represents evolutionary development of cars that are appropriate for the class. IT, including ITS, has always been intended as an "entry-level" class w/ limited prep. There are always going to be people who will spend inordinate amounts of money on their cars and that is fine too assuming that the rules maintain constraints that are "consistent with class philosophy." The open shock rule was put in place when $200 single adjustables were state of the art, and it should have been reeled in long before it got to the ridiculous extent it did. I did not blame people for putting $5000 worth of shocks on an IT car (and I don't blame anyone for running a high-dollar 325)- I blamed National for putting their avowed aversion to "rules creep" over adherence to the class philosophy. It was all the more frustrating to see them deny trivial things like jack plates, full interior gutting, etc. on grounds of inconsistency w/ class philosophy. GMAFB! Likewise, the 325s just should not have been classed in ITS when they were. IMHO no car that costs $10,000+ for a decent tub should be in ITS. Now that number is pretty arbitrary and would change as prices generally rise. ... Which brings me back on topic - if the cars that have been mentioned can be generally bought today for <$10,000 and there is a decent supply of junkyard and aftermarket parts, by all means, put them in. Wouldn't it be incredible to have a choice of a half dozen or more competitive cars? But some of them clearly do not meet those criteria. I think the fundamental question that must be answered is whether we want to change the class philosophy. I have been out for 2 years and am thinking of getting back in but I am concerned about the condition and direction of the class.