OK maybe I made a mistake about the NSX being excluded....
regardless, an NSX with a 1.6L and 7" rims...is going to look funny. Dunno how fast it may really be.
March 2012 Fastrack
- Thread starter Greg Amy
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OK maybe I made a mistake about the NSX being excluded....
regardless, an NSX with a 1.6L and 7" rims...is going to look funny. Dunno how fast it may really be.
Kia Rio5 also has 4 wheel discs, and direct injection. beam rear though.
and many of these cars have HUGE frontal areas compared to the mainstay era hondas. but yeah, Cd tends to be low.
jumbojimbo
New member
MINI Cooper also has 4-wheel disc brakes?
Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
Why a 1.6? 2.0 baby!!!
look at the specific output of the B16A2 vs the 1.8 or 2.0, and the weight factor.
I'm calling the B16A2 engine as the one to have. Stick it in an 87 Civic and ballast for balance.
What would be really great is if non-USDM engines were allowed - there's all sorts of cool engines that we didn't get here in the states.
But then it wouldn't be a FWD Honduh class!
Joking (not funny to joke about the truth?) aside:
I still say this is a must for the class. And it's better considered now than later... speaking of writing letters...
Joking (not funny to joke about the truth?) aside:
I still say this is a must for the class. And it's better considered now than later... speaking of writing letters...
I'm all for JDM, EDM motors for the class and I drive a Honda. If all the motors meet the rules laid out who cares...
I wouldn't call it an all Honda class anyway, I think Miatas will do very well.
Anyway, I guess there is no reason in sending in a letter about reversing this B Spec thing is there?
I wouldn't call it an all Honda class anyway, I think Miatas will do very well.
Anyway, I guess there is no reason in sending in a letter about reversing this B Spec thing is there?
lateapex911
Super Moderator
Well, write away, but, it's been discussed several times according to the STAC representatives who post here, and the STAC was in favor, but, for some reason I don't get, certain members of, or the CRB as a whole is against it.
lateapex911
Super Moderator
Thats a curious point.
I don't think the 1.8 will match the Specific output of some of the Honda motor combinations. But, the Mazda is a superior chassis. So yes, I think it has a very good chance.
BUT: Referencing other threads here, it's been brought up numerous times that the RWD adder is thought to be way low by the STAC (2.5%), and certain members want it increased. I think I can find posts to the effect of Greg wanting as much as 7%.
So if THAT happens then I'm not so sure I'd be the first on my block to build a Miata.
Secondly, the Miata is an odd duck. I've asked numerous times why the S2000 is banned, yet the Miata isn't. Makes ZERO sense to me physically. One would think the Miata should be banned as well, OR the S2000 allowed.
Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
And they obviously talked about banned chassis with the lifting of the restriction on the Type R as a chassis. So still no NSX or FD RX-7, 300ZX, Porsche 911 or ANYTHING that people could Frankenstein?
Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
So I think it would be cool to double dip our ITR S2000 in STL in full IT trim. Seems 100% legal as:
This is much like the SM to IT rule that was attempted to pass a couple years ago. Even though some allowances for SM were NOT legal for IT, the rule suggested that SM cars, in FULL SM prep, would be specifically legal for ITA, including the 99+ cars that were not even on the spec line.
So even if this chassis is not allowed in STL in STL trim, it is specifically allowed in IT trim. Still off in the power to weight department but it will be fun.
This is much like the SM to IT rule that was attempted to pass a couple years ago. Even though some allowances for SM were NOT legal for IT, the rule suggested that SM cars, in FULL SM prep, would be specifically legal for ITA, including the 99+ cars that were not even on the spec line.
So even if this chassis is not allowed in STL in STL trim, it is specifically allowed in IT trim. Still off in the power to weight department but it will be fun.
Ron Earp
Administrator
No. No cool cars. FWD Hondas. Got it?
Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
LOL Maybe I worded that wrong. Still NO restrictions on THOSE cars I listed! I would infer that if they addressed the Hype-R, they will leave the cars I mentioned alone.
lateapex911
Super Moderator
Actually, Andy, I've been thinking.
Why not run the ITR S2000 in IT trim as the rule states its allowed in IT trim ONLY. So, that includes 8.5" wheels. Which are a lot better than 7". Now, it's a but tubby, because in STU it would weigh 2770, but the wheels will go a long way to make that up. And if the STAC make good on it's promise to (double) the RWD weight adder, (making the STL S2000 2825, lets say) that won't affect the ITR car either...
Why not run the ITR S2000 in IT trim as the rule states its allowed in IT trim ONLY. So, that includes 8.5" wheels. Which are a lot better than 7". Now, it's a but tubby, because in STU it would weigh 2770, but the wheels will go a long way to make that up. And if the STAC make good on it's promise to (double) the RWD weight adder, (making the STL S2000 2825, lets say) that won't affect the ITR car either...
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Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
Jake, spot on. It will be a fun car to run with the quick STL boys.
How about this for a Frankenstein daydream:
911 Carrera Club Sport clone, back dated with the 911S's 160hp 2.0. With all the allowances for cams, compression, intake and TB/carb...
Wait. My bad. Sorry, only 4-bangers regardless of cc's. Ugh. Literally just noticed that. Idiot.
How about this for a Frankenstein daydream:
911 Carrera Club Sport clone, back dated with the 911S's 160hp 2.0. With all the allowances for cams, compression, intake and TB/carb...
Wait. My bad. Sorry, only 4-bangers regardless of cc's. Ugh. Literally just noticed that. Idiot.
lateapex911
Super Moderator
REally!? Sheeet. Never realized that.
I was shooting the poo with Greg the other day, (Poor guy, he gets an earful sometimes!) and I was blue skying about possible odd and unthought of combinations, like that old nineties Mazda 1.8L V6 from the MX-3 in a Miata. I researched it and it made 130hp at 6500, and 115 Tq at 4500, so so much for THAT idea!. Anyway, Greg never said, "Only 4 cyl cars, dumbass!"....
Pity.
The 911 idea. Yea, I thought about that exact combination. Well, sorta. you're thinking of an earlier 911S engine but that one is carbed (Webers). The Mech injected version is a 170Hp version. Of course, pre '73 ratings aren't always SAE net, so that power might not be apples to apples to a newer Honda.
Now, making enough to match the output of a Honda motor might be a bitch, even with cam and compression allowances. (I don't know that S cams lift off the top of my head, but it was known to be a cammy motor)
then there's weight. It would need to be (at todays RWD adder), 2770, which is a bunch over stock! (well, stock for a 70's S, !)
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Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
On edit as was pointed out to me:
NO idea why but there it is. SO many unnecessary restrictions.
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