2006 ARRC

James
I agree with your thoughts. The Competition Committee DOES want MARRS racers to share paddock space. But the language in the supps is such that you MAY keep your open trailer in your paddock space if it all fits in the 20' x 40'.

Just wait until you get YOUR turn to play paddock marshal. :D :D :D

cheers
"dangerous" dave parker
wdcr ITC->HP #97
 
The add'l enduro driver fee is a little stiff. $50 max is about right. We raced at VIR two weeks prior and did not have the add'l fee for the enduro or the Carolina Cup race. Just kind of not right to charge that much,
 
Originally posted by dave parker@Nov 16 2005, 05:36 PM
James
I agree with your thoughts. The Competition Committee DOES want MARRS racers to share paddock space. But the language in the supps is such that you MAY keep your open trailer in your paddock space if it all fits in the 20' x 40'.

Just wait until you get YOUR turn to play paddock marshal. :D  :D  :D

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I dont know if I want that many enemies in my rookie year. I have a tendancy to rub people the wrong way. Ask my boss, hes always telling me to stop blugening our network operations center.
 
I'm pleased to say that my paddocking experience went quite smoothly this year. A group of us had requested to paddock together. I was the last of our group to show up, and after a short (30 min.?) wait to get in, I just rolled in and unhooked. I know that it didn't go as smoothly for others.

Speaking of being spacially challenged, try fitting into a sub 20' x 20' paddock spot at my home track, Waterford Hills.

Ed.
 
Originally posted by Sandy@Nov 16 2005, 09:32 AM
While it is fresh on your mind, give us suggestions for next year.  Please be reasonable.  Address such issues as schedule, socials/entertainment/food, trophies, victory circle, Contingency program, entry fees, car classes, facility, local area issues, etc.  Tell us what you would like to see continued, changed, included, deleted, etc.  Please make it constructive suggestions.  Sandy, Atlanta Region Treasure and Paddock Queen a/k/a Escort
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I didn't go this yr but next yr will definatly be going!!

Something that I liked in the past is the trophies that had the medalion in them. (2003) Absolutly awesome!! Also it would look cool to hang another one next to it if I ever got the chance!

National anthem would be awesome!!

Tow fund that was picked randomly to gnerate more interest from other regions rather than just the east coast

All tractor trailers should park in the infeild area. They have the money for fancy 4 wheelers and stuff!! OK JK but seriously we should use the inside paddock for a few race groups. The reason I say the entire race group is because for that particular group they can use the infeild pit in as well. Keep it simple so people don't have to lug there stuff all the way around to pit lane.

socials earlier so that more people attned like someone else mentioned!

A BIG article in Grassroots motorsports and Sports car! Let's talk it up and give it more exposure than just this website!

Keep up the great work!

Stephen
 
I'm not into the idea of seperating people by the group they are racing in. It would also be nice to keep everyone in the same general area if at all possible. This is a social event and seperating people might detract a bit from that. I think you guy/gals did a great job with finding space for everyone! I've been to many other events where there was not nearly as much space.

Limiting people to a certain size is a nice idea. Maybe on the registration form include specifics on what the person's paddock needs are. This way things can be planned out a bit further ahead of time and would take some stress off of you (Sandy and Fletcher). The person should list the size of their trailer and what their tow vehicle is. Yes I stole the idea from what was done for the NER people but it seemed to work very well.

The practice day is a must in my opinion. It would have been extremely difficult for us newbies to the track to have any clue on how to drive the track without it. And I will certainly need it the next time I go as well.
 
and Raymonds comments:

ITA/B/C/S (and teamate cars such as Anthony's EP car all with one rig) parks in the "traditional" paddock. The other racegroupes paddock on the other side and use the other pits/paddock. However if that is done a shuttle of some sorts will be needed for the pit/grid marshals as well as Timing and Scoring. Stewards are assigned to classes, so you could probably put the respective stewards in each area.

My HUGE pet peave about this event is that you list the sponsors on the webpage, but you don't list the contingencies... I REALLY REALLY think that it should be published upfront on the website in advance, not only so that we can see that X company contributes $1,000 and Y company only contributed $5.00 but it also might encourage more drivers to come. I think that the way the NARRC was advertized was great. On the positive note though, I do like that you can go to one trailer to get everything on race day, however it is far to much stuff to go over if you are race group one so you can either choose to run everything or nothing.

Split start for B/C is a must IMO.

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$50 max for the double driver entry... It really doesn't make sense for two drivers to run one car, when you can just run two cars for a little more $$$ (entry fee wise).

Raymond
 
Originally posted by JamesB@Nov 16 2005, 08:12 PM
Dave I got a different view from the supps and to me the meaning came over that sure if it can fit but we would prefer if you didnt and maybe even find someone to buddy up to so you can squeeze 2 cars into the same paddock spot.
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I thought things went pretty smoothly other than the fact it took a long time to register. That may have something to do with the new system being used for the first time but sitting out in the cold for 2 hours didn't improve my mood! :)

I would also like to see the contingency spread out among the field. More random drawings etc for prizes and or gear/money/tires. I don't like subsidizing the racing of others. Racing's too expensive. I think it would go a long way for a midpacker or backmarker to feel like they could get some contingency too.

I was concerned at times about the paddock situation becasue it was so close. Pedestrians don't look and racers sometimes go faster than they should. I'm not sure what would help this but using the other side of the paddock seems to make sense to me.

Thanks for everyone's hard work...

JAson
 
This is great Sandy. You spoke of victory circle. The enduro drivers got NOTHING of that. No victory lap, no podium, no pictures, no champagne, nothing at all. I heard more than one person say "if they aren't doing it for us, we're not coming back" Although I feel that is a little strong, I understand where they are coming from. All the other classes got it, why not the enduro? I think it would be magnificent if that could happen.

I second the part about the second driver enduro fee. Pretty pricey.....

I would like to say that the event just gets better and better with age. Thanks to all the help before during, and after that all the SCCA volunteers do!!! With the comments that are being given, we can take it to the next level!!
 
Darn it... good points after my post...

Last year registration tried a "new method" as well and it was the worst experience I have ever had at any registration for any event racing or not. Seems like the region should try these "new methods" at smaller races first? I do have to admit though, they are trying and thank you for that...

Enduro podiums would be great even though they will be time consuming...

Raymond
 
follow the supps for car numbers!!!!

we were one of the first cars to register and were told several times before the event that we had the number we requested. the supps stated first come, first served on numbers and that local region reserved numbers would not be honored. when we got to registration, surprise, no number. it seems a later entry who was a "local" had the same number request and it was given to him. grrrrrr! we were then assigned a number that wasn't even our second or third choice, despite the fact that they were available.

registration did seem a bit convoluted. race registration is not a new science that needs to be reinvented. the wdc region has the process down cold. copy it!

the split qualifying for the enduro was poor, especially finding out about it an hour before the sessions. many folks planned on the 45min session for co-driver familiarization. we were going to have to race with the miata's anyway, why have a separate session for them to qualify and whack our track time by over 50%?

excessive double yellows - wow, felt like we were at watkins glen or something. seemed like every car that went off drew a double yellow and a few parade laps. sheesh, how about a local yellow and a quick hot pull? again, wdcr has this process down, copy it!
 
I will add 1 thing because it became a pain in the rear.

If your not a racer, no parking in paddock. You can walk through but no parking.
I spent 10 minutes trying to move 20 feet because someone was looking for a spot to open up. He then took another racers spot and some words took place.

Even though I was not a racer this time. I felt there was no need to park there. It was hectic enough!
 
Registration was a bit funny. Everyone stood in one line (crew and drivers). One crew member said hey, there is a line specifically for crew. O.k. A herd of people go over there then get to the window. You're done here now you need to go in that line (no idea what that line was for?).

When we got to registration, there were a bunch of people working there which is awesome and appreciated. If organized a bit differently it could go much faster though.

Open / closed wheel areas...how many open wheel cars were there in total? It didn't seem like many but I could be wrong.
 
I may pee-ohh some people, but it won't be the first or last time. My understanding of the ARRC's original concept was to make up for the former IT Festival that the SCCA dumped on at the end of '93. The ARRC was to become an IT championship weekend. Now we have all sorts of NASCARS, Trans Am cars, relabled formula cars and sports racers, and pickups racing. I understand the need for Atlanta region to make all the money they can (who doesn't). I can even understand the need for the ground pounders proceeding at speed in single file for the entertainment of the fans. But, outside of their crews, does anyone really watch the fast plastic and wing things?
I know that things have evolved to a regional class format, even though I don't agree with that. But now, you can have a DSR racing a CSR with both relabeled to be ASR in order to race. Or an FM having to race an FA rebadged an FS because it's a regional class. Where's the competition in that? Wouldn't it be easier just to have some really nice trophies for those classes that are for sale at registration?
I'd simply like to see this weekend return to an IT only weekend, as it once was. Our track time would increase, opportunities to qualify would increase, paddock space would increase, racing format would increase, etc.

My thoughts. I'll stand back with a bat.
 
Originally posted by charrbq@Nov 17 2005, 01:43 PM
I may pee-ohh some people, but it won't be the first or last time.  My understanding of the ARRC's original concept was to make up for the former IT Festival that the SCCA dumped on at the end of '93.  The ARRC was to become an IT championship weekend.  Now we have all sorts of NASCARS, Trans Am cars, relabled formula cars and sports racers, and pickups racing.  I understand the need for Atlanta region to make all the money they can (who doesn't).  I can even understand the need for the ground pounders proceeding at speed in single file for the entertainment of the fans.  But, outside of their crews, does anyone really watch the fast plastic and wing things?
I know that things have evolved to a regional class format, even though I don't agree with that.  But now, you can have a DSR racing a CSR with both relabeled to be ASR in order to race.  Or an FM having to race an FA rebadged an FS because it's a regional class.  Where's the competition in that?  Wouldn't it be easier just to have some really nice trophies for those classes that are for sale at registration?
I'd simply like to see this weekend return to an IT only weekend, as it once was.  Our track time would increase, opportunities to qualify would increase, paddock space would increase, racing format would increase, etc.

My thoughts.  I'll stand back with a bat.
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Please heed the request to AT LEAST get a split start in the supps for B & C so we don't have to perform the cherade of a petition that has happenned since those classes were combined. This year the ultimate slap in the face was the stewards refusal to allow it when it was done for others less mismatched. This event was originally to replace the IT festival and as years have gone on we have added some pretty far-fetched classes to fill the car counts. I beleive it is time to start paring some of those groups to solve the overcrowding situation. There are a lot of ITC &ITB cars that stopped coming with the combining of our classes because of the loss of the true championship foundation. Maybe it is time to explore our roots and start back towards a true championship event.
 
Originally posted by gran racing@Nov 17 2005, 09:30 AM
Registration was a bit funny.  Everyone stood in one line (crew and drivers).  One crew member said hey, there is a line specifically for crew.  O.k.  A herd of people go over there then get to the window.  You're done here now you need to go in that line (no idea what that line was for?). 

When we got to registration, there were a bunch of people working there which is awesome and appreciated.  If organized a bit differently it could go much faster though.
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I'll chime in here on that too. Registration was for the lack of a better term, a joke. I had to stand in three different lines before getting myself and my crew registered. Huh? Three lines? One line was for making changes to your crew list (huh?), one line was just for your crew (huh?), and then the third (and retardedly long line) was for the drivers. Now why could I not do all of that at one window? Every other event I've ever been to, ever, does it that way. My crew and team stays together the whole time, my information only needs to be pulled once, much less confusion, and I'd imagine a ton less work for the registration people themselves!

Of course then there was also the two windows on the far left that were for Atlanta region members only. How nice for them, two fully manned windows with no line at them while there's a two hour wait for everyone else......who paid the same (if not more) to be there. Hmmm....

As I stood in line, I counted up something like 12 windows at registration. 3 of them were being used to register drivers - something that probably requires about 85% of the work. 25% of the windows to do 85% of the work, mmmkay. I just think that if you had 12 windows, 2 or 3 for workers, and then the rest for just good'ole "registration", everyone could've breezed through. This is how it is at Mid Ohio everytime; pick one line, write up your crew list right there, get the crew signed in, and get yourself registered - bame, one folder of information, done. I don't think I've ever waited more than 10 minutes at a Mid Ohio registration.
 
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