2007 door bar rule change?

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You want to see the home office scramble a bit ?? Ask them to see the engineering study that was done on their mandated roll cage. All this talk about safety etc., but there is no proof to show that their idea of a cage is better or even as good as cages that have been tested and improved on over 40 plus years................

Give me a waiver to sign, no form of racing is 100% safe.
 
You want to see the home office scramble a bit ?? Ask them to see the engineering study that was done on their mandated roll cage. All this talk about safety etc., but there is no proof to show that their idea of a cage is better or even as good as cages that have been tested and improved on over 40 plus years................

Give me a waiver to sign, no form of racing is 100% safe.
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First sensible words I've heard in a long time.
Pick a standard already widely used, and stick with it.
Let me be responsible for my own safety within broad limits.

Before you know it we will all be cacooned in $100k safety cells like F1 drivers with gear we have to throw out every year just to noodle around in our $10k IT cars that we are lucky to hit 100mph in.
 
***3 bar X in my door did not help with that.***

Carver, if it didn't help make the chassis more ridged which is HELP it must be that you wanted more weight in your car. :) [/b]
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Car would be ridged with any door bar configuration. And as far as the weight, We all have mins to meet anyway.


I signed the wavior everytime. LETS RACE!
 
[attachmentid=662Would you consider this legal???
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To my eye, (and I am no Tech dude), I'd think the drivers door is fine, but I don't see two bars on the pass side. So, as of now, it's legal, as of jan 01 07, you need a second.
 
Ya, that cage was built last May or so. Don't know where he is going to race it, 72 911 I believe. My point was totally non-horizontal door bars, but they are NASCAR style though.
Not much of the cage rules are at all logical. My 240Z needs 1.5x.120 tubing in it as an IT car and as of Jan07 NASCAR bars on both sides, as well as 6+2 attaching points. As a Prod car it needs 1.5x.095 or 1.375x .095 if its Alloy,minimum tubing, a million attaching points and a "360 degree" main hoop, with trashcar bars. As a GT same tubing no mention of a horizontal bar within the mainhoop, trashcar bars etc.
No consistancy. The Porsche 996 GT3 cup car x bars across both doors, but it gets a waiver because thats the way Porsche built it. FIA legal though! It (SCCA) also waives the rule for 360 degree welds around every joint, just look at a Porsche built cage around the roof line welds... can't reach it, don't weld it!!
Rant Over!!!
 
The CRB met last night and our issue was brought up. The Showroom stock (and therfore SM and IT) cage rules will be clarified to ALLOW an "X" bar as an approved '2 bar' set-up. The Prod and Touring rules will have to be changed and teh Bod will have to approve - but for us, an "X" will be good.
 
fOR WHAT ITS WORTH. THE BUILDING TRADES/PLUMBING/HVAC/BUILDING/PIPE FITTING AND THE LIKE USE MODEL BUILDING CODES ADDOPTED BY STATES AND LOCL BUILDING OFFICIALS AND HAS THE BACKING OR STATE AND FEDERAL POWERS USE 45 DEGREES AS THE BREAKING POINT FOR THE HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL BASE LINE. ANYTHING ABOVE OR BELOW THAT IS JUST WHAT IT IS.
LAWRENCE
 
The CRB met last night and our issue was brought up. The Showroom stock (and therfore SM and IT) cage rules will be clarified to ALLOW an "X" bar as an approved '2 bar' set-up. The Prod and Touring rules will have to be changed and teh Bod will have to approve - but for us, an "X" will be good.
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Forgive me for being slow,but does this mean the 3 bar X is now illegal. Is it also true you have to have a dash bar also.

Greg
 
Forgive me for being slow,but does this mean the 3 bar X is now illegal. Is it also true you have to have a dash bar also.

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1 - Quite the contrary... the "3 bar X" is apparently going to okay WRT the new "2 bar" side protection rule.

2 - AFAIK, the dash bar is still an option within the SS/IT cage guidelines...

<span style="color:#231f20"><div align="left"><div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE</div><div class=\'quotemain\'>"E. One (1) bar is recommended in a horizontal plane between forward cage braces in the dash area."[/b][/quote]</div>
<div align="left">Recommended, not required.</div>
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The CRB met last night and our issue was brought up. The Showroom stock (and therfore SM and IT) cage rules will be clarified to ALLOW an "X" bar as an approved '2 bar' set-up. The Prod and Touring rules will have to be changed and teh Bod will have to approve - but for us, an "X" will be good.
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Nice... This a few days after I start cutting out my "X" bars to put in the NASCRAP bars in <sigh>.
Oh well. I may as well finish it now anyway.

The CRB met last night and our issue was brought up. The Showroom stock (and therfore SM and IT) cage rules will be clarified to ALLOW an "X" bar as an approved '2 bar' set-up. The Prod and Touring rules will have to be changed and teh Bod will have to approve - but for us, an "X" will be good.
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Nice... This a few days after I start cutting out my "X" bars to put in the NASCRAP bars in <sigh>.
Oh well. I may as well finish it now anyway.

The CRB met last night and our issue was brought up. The Showroom stock (and therfore SM and IT) cage rules will be clarified to ALLOW an "X" bar as an approved '2 bar' set-up. The Prod and Touring rules will have to be changed and teh Bod will have to approve - but for us, an "X" will be good.
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Nice... This a few days after I start cutting out my "X" bars to put in the NASCRAP bars in <sigh>.
Oh well. I may as well finish it now anyway. :dead_horse:
 
Which all means that previous to the latest change that is taking place the three (3) tube was not a legal two(2) tube side protection. ;)

Which also gets ME back to the letter I sent to Topeka when the two(2) tube side protection originally came out. I asked for simplicity reasons & for crossover reasons why are the IT & Production side protection rules not the same. I received the standard bla, bla, bla Fastrack response. But now that some more sensible heads have gathered that is exactly what they will be doing. I just hate it when I'm that dumb up front. ;)

Now maybe one of these days THEY (Tech inspectors/Saftey inspectors) will start using the rule GCR 18.1.2. & get the drivers out from under the main hoop in the Production cars. & please don't anyone from the North East Division who attends National races ask me which cars I'm talking about. I don't beleive I have seen a production car that originated outside the North East that the driver sits under the main hoop. (Maybe a couple of the cars by one builder originated from the CenDiv area 4 & raced in the North East.)

Have Fun ;)
David

ps: Thanks Andy............
 
The CRB met last night and our issue was brought up. The Showroom stock (and therfore SM and IT) cage rules will be clarified to ALLOW an "X" bar as an approved '2 bar' set-up. The Prod and Touring rules will have to be changed and teh Bod will have to approve - but for us, an "X" will be good.
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Thanks Andy. The costs of my door bar work for this winter just went down. :)
 
Does anyone know of a cage builder in Western NC? I'm also open to Western SC...
I know I can get it done at Sports Car Authority in Charlotte, but that is a two and a half hour tow for me.

Also, as an aside...
Does anyone know of a toyo supplier that can shave on the east coast? Hate to pay the extra shipping from AIM in calif., although I have done it before and got a good shave.
 
He's not all that far west but Chris Schimmel (Competition Cages) in Hillsborough, NC is worth the drive. Hall Tire in Greensboro - of all places - will shave Toyos. They aren't a "race tire" place but their service rocks and Joseph the Tire Sculptor will take of exactly as much as you want.

Kirk

EDIT - I should clarify that I bought my Toyos from http://www.PhilsTireService.com and then took them to Hall's. Even with shipping, they were cheaper from Phil than anywhere else I could find and they need to be mounted to shave them anyway.
 
Yeah, that is about a 4 hour drive...so I have other options in charlotte I can deal with, which is closer.

Phils tire service doesnt shave?
I like AIM and tire rack, as they come shaved to your specified depth. AIM is far away, and tire rack doesnt sell toyo's

I figure there has to be plenty of circle track racing shops around...right? They build cages...so I imagine they must be somewhat qualified.
 
I figure there has to be plenty of circle track racing shops around...right? They build cages...so I imagine they must be somewhat qualified.
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DANGER WILL ROBINSON Be very careful about assuming Circle Track builders know what their doing with a road racing cage. See examples in person. Make sure they build custom to the car and not just ordering a kit and installing it. Make sure they are willing to build it how you, and the RULES, require. There are some TOP NOTCH circle track builders out there, but just like in the SCCA circles, there are some builders to stay away from.
 
I was kinda afraid of that.
I was told to look up Steve Ekerich, as he may be able to help me.
If he cant, I heard about a Hap Waldrop in Greenville, with the Acme Speed shop. That is only about an hour or so for me.
 
Phil does shave tires. He even likes to do it ;-)

He knows roadracing, knows the cars, and knows what the tires will do.

His profiles and surface finishes are as good as any I got from Vilven.

Dave Z
 
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