8 Hour race at Road Atlanta scheduled
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LOL... you guys with your FWD keep going on about rain... onna these days it's gonna rain at the IT-Fest, and you'll REALLY look foolish...
JeffYoung
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The conceptual problem for me with NASA is that they seemed to based on the idea of "you build the car, then we class it" v. the SCCA model of "we make the classes, then you build to them."
While the former is more inclusive, and it also gives you things like Spec Focus and Spec SE-R that are flash in the pan classes. With SCCA you get stability and, at least from my experience, much tighter competition.
I enjoyed the two NASA events I ran, but I can't say I thought I was really "competing." My run group was a Lotus 7, a 911 turbo, me, a 190E, some Miatas and a Z car. Frankengroup. Very different from a tight and tough SEDiv ITS field. Kind of like racing lite........
There's a place for both but I am thinking more and more they aren't the direct competitors they appear to be on the surface.
While the former is more inclusive, and it also gives you things like Spec Focus and Spec SE-R that are flash in the pan classes. With SCCA you get stability and, at least from my experience, much tighter competition.
I enjoyed the two NASA events I ran, but I can't say I thought I was really "competing." My run group was a Lotus 7, a 911 turbo, me, a 190E, some Miatas and a Z car. Frankengroup. Very different from a tight and tough SEDiv ITS field. Kind of like racing lite........
There's a place for both but I am thinking more and more they aren't the direct competitors they appear to be on the surface.
Guys, either you want to race with SCCA, or you want to race with NASA or you run with both. Every time there is a NASA event this board seems to wade through all of NASA's warts. If we did that with every SCCA event that comes across here (and there are many warts on those events too) this would have hits like a porn site! Hey NASA is different then ol time SCCA.
NASA is what it is. SCCA is what it is. They both draw club racers so right or wrong they are in competition. I for one think that for the long run NASA being in business makes SCCA better. In the areas I race SCCA customer service has been better then ever this year. In the NASA evnts I have run in the past the atitude has always been "Glad to have you in our event." I think this has bled over into SCCA.
NASA is what it is. SCCA is what it is. They both draw club racers so right or wrong they are in competition. I for one think that for the long run NASA being in business makes SCCA better. In the areas I race SCCA customer service has been better then ever this year. In the NASA evnts I have run in the past the atitude has always been "Glad to have you in our event." I think this has bled over into SCCA.
Cobrar05
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Jeff,
I see your point of view, but as a Mustang racer its the opposite. If I build a Mustang race car based on OEM technology from more than the last decade, I don't have a real SCCA option.
I mean unless I run ITO/ITE which last time had me racing against an SPO like car running 2:04's on the full course at VIR or World Challenge Corvettes and Vipers. An SCCA version of frankenclass.
At NASA I can race my Mustangs in enduros where in the SCCA I only occasionally get a class waiver to allow me to run an ECR.
I race where I am invited. I will run both ECR's at VIR in October and the Enduro at the ARRC. I will also run NASA enduros because I can.
If you don't like NASA or you don't want to race, that's ok. Its an 8 hour race at Road Atlanta. Its a new event that we have none of on the east coast that I know of. We have a couple of 12 hour races and a 24 at ledges, plus a bunch of 3 hour races. We have nothing beyond the ARRC 3 hour at Road Atlanta and nothing in the 8 hour range at all.
This is just an invitation. Just like any party invite, you don't have to use it.
I see your point of view, but as a Mustang racer its the opposite. If I build a Mustang race car based on OEM technology from more than the last decade, I don't have a real SCCA option.
I mean unless I run ITO/ITE which last time had me racing against an SPO like car running 2:04's on the full course at VIR or World Challenge Corvettes and Vipers. An SCCA version of frankenclass.
At NASA I can race my Mustangs in enduros where in the SCCA I only occasionally get a class waiver to allow me to run an ECR.
I race where I am invited. I will run both ECR's at VIR in October and the Enduro at the ARRC. I will also run NASA enduros because I can.
If you don't like NASA or you don't want to race, that's ok. Its an 8 hour race at Road Atlanta. Its a new event that we have none of on the east coast that I know of. We have a couple of 12 hour races and a 24 at ledges, plus a bunch of 3 hour races. We have nothing beyond the ARRC 3 hour at Road Atlanta and nothing in the 8 hour range at all.
This is just an invitation. Just like any party invite, you don't have to use it.
JeffYoung
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Rob, I don't disagree with you or Mark. I think the conceptual differences between SCCA (and ITO/ITE is a catchall class that, honestly, is sort of an after thought in the IT world) and NASA is pretty clear. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. My point was I wonder how much competition actually exists between the two given their distinct differences.
I've got nothing against the 8 hour at Atlanta, and wish it a ton of success. Should be a great event.
As you know, I also share your concern about the lack of a place for V8 Mustangs and Camaros in existing "regular" IT classes. I think it is a huge hole we have to fill. Your car still, in my view, exceeds the performance potential of ITR, but maybe the next class -- which will have to come at some point -- above R will allow the "modern" Mustangs and Camaros a place to run. In fact, I think your car is a perfect NASA car and a "bad" SCCA car (at the moment) for precisely that reason -- you built (or bought) a car to race, not to race in a particular SCCA class.
Classic NASA/SCCA difference I think.
I've got nothing against the 8 hour at Atlanta, and wish it a ton of success. Should be a great event.
As you know, I also share your concern about the lack of a place for V8 Mustangs and Camaros in existing "regular" IT classes. I think it is a huge hole we have to fill. Your car still, in my view, exceeds the performance potential of ITR, but maybe the next class -- which will have to come at some point -- above R will allow the "modern" Mustangs and Camaros a place to run. In fact, I think your car is a perfect NASA car and a "bad" SCCA car (at the moment) for precisely that reason -- you built (or bought) a car to race, not to race in a particular SCCA class.
Classic NASA/SCCA difference I think.
JeffYoung
New member
Got it, didn't know the history behind the car.
It's funny, that problem -- the aging out of Showroom Stock cars with no place to go -- is one of the primary reasons we have IT.
I agree your car has been orphaned. No good place for it to run right now. SCCA's classification system makes some sense once you run SCCA for a while, but for the new guy (and I had this problem) it's hard. I had no clue as to what classes were popular, etc.
Assume we came up with a new "ITQ" class for cars with say, 240 to 300/310 stock hp and all other IT rules in place. Would your car qualify? I have no idea -- just want to get a feel for what the car has had done to it.
P.S. Note breakdown of "stock" IT hp ranges (and note this is my perception, not the "rule"):
ITC: 60-90 hp
ITB: 90 to 110 hp
ITA: 100ish to 140ish hp
ITS: 140ish to 190ish hp
ITR: 190ish to 240ish
You car might even be a tough fit in the "next" IT class above Q.
It's funny, that problem -- the aging out of Showroom Stock cars with no place to go -- is one of the primary reasons we have IT.
I agree your car has been orphaned. No good place for it to run right now. SCCA's classification system makes some sense once you run SCCA for a while, but for the new guy (and I had this problem) it's hard. I had no clue as to what classes were popular, etc.
Assume we came up with a new "ITQ" class for cars with say, 240 to 300/310 stock hp and all other IT rules in place. Would your car qualify? I have no idea -- just want to get a feel for what the car has had done to it.
P.S. Note breakdown of "stock" IT hp ranges (and note this is my perception, not the "rule"):
ITC: 60-90 hp
ITB: 90 to 110 hp
ITA: 100ish to 140ish hp
ITS: 140ish to 190ish hp
ITR: 190ish to 240ish
You car might even be a tough fit in the "next" IT class above Q.
Hmmm..... (he says, interestingly...)
Ron
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We are trying real hard to do the race in the mustang. It turns out we just did not have enough oil in the pan and we spun a rod bearing. The rest of the motor looks great so we should be there. Having a brand new pan we just underestimated where the oil was going. Tom was really trying to keep the oil away from the crank, we just pushed the limits.
Ron
Ron