96+ Civic EX to ITA
- Thread starter Knestis
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Just sent my request. I plan on club racing in about 2 years and currently have a '99 EX Civic that I would love to use. I know buying is always cheaper than building, but what the hell. If we get it reclassed to ITA then I'll build it. But I'm not spending the money for ITS.
I agree with Kirk, the websites for the 6th gen Civic suck unless you want a huge wing, NOS, and 20" wheels.
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I agree with Kirk, the websites for the 6th gen Civic suck unless you want a huge wing, NOS, and 20" wheels.
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downingracing
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FYI: The Civic weight started 2003 at 2400lbs. It was lowered mid-season to 2305lbs (same as the ITS weight...).
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Matt Downing
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To clarify - since this strand came back from the dead - the '96-98 EX has been listed in ITA, per the August FasTrack...
http://www.scca.org/news/tech/fastrack/03-...08-fastrack.pdf
...at 2450 pounds. I don't think the '99 will be age-eligible for 2004 (I always dork up that math) so it won't be classified yet. When it does become eligible, make the request based on the fact that the car is essentially identical to those already listed.
FWIW, I would be building one now if they didn't hold their value as street cars so darned well!
Kirk
http://www.scca.org/news/tech/fastrack/03-...08-fastrack.pdf
...at 2450 pounds. I don't think the '99 will be age-eligible for 2004 (I always dork up that math) so it won't be classified yet. When it does become eligible, make the request based on the fact that the car is essentially identical to those already listed.
FWIW, I would be building one now if they didn't hold their value as street cars so darned well!
Kirk
downingracing
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Just don't tell them it's like the 94...
Matt (still waiting to be moved to ITA!)
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Matt Downing
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When you requested the move, did you stipulate a weight change or ask that it be moved at exactly the same specs? The Golf III could be moved to B because it didn't require a weight change, for which there is no provision in the rules.
If you tried to do the right thing and add weight, you gave them a stick to hit you with...
K
If you tried to do the right thing and add weight, you gave them a stick to hit you with...
K
downingracing
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Kirk,
If you're asking me...
My first request asked for weight to be added. Like you said - the right thing to do. They came back with the 'stick' and said that would be a comp adjustment, and they don't do comp adjustments.
My second request just asked that the classification be corrected to ITA citing the recent addition of the 96-98 EX in ITA. If/when that is denied due to potential @ current weight, i'm going to request that it be added to the existing spec line for ITA and expand the EX years to 93-98.
My last request was tabled for research... Hopefully they have all the information they need and the car will be moved soon. I've already purchased ITA stickers!
FYI: The 2305 weight is almost impossible to get to. I'm sure with some creative rules reading (read: cheating), it's possible. I'm at almost 2400 right now and could easily get to 2450.
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Matt Downing
www.downingracing.com
If you're asking me...
My first request asked for weight to be added. Like you said - the right thing to do. They came back with the 'stick' and said that would be a comp adjustment, and they don't do comp adjustments.
My second request just asked that the classification be corrected to ITA citing the recent addition of the 96-98 EX in ITA. If/when that is denied due to potential @ current weight, i'm going to request that it be added to the existing spec line for ITA and expand the EX years to 93-98.
My last request was tabled for research... Hopefully they have all the information they need and the car will be moved soon. I've already purchased ITA stickers!
FYI: The 2305 weight is almost impossible to get to. I'm sure with some creative rules reading (read: cheating), it's possible. I'm at almost 2400 right now and could easily get to 2450.
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Matt Downing
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Racerboy03
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OT, but does anyone know if the 94 Integra LS has been moved to ITA yet? Any info/sites on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
Never seen any success on this request - and it HAS been asked for several times. Check the FasTrack bulletins available at www.scca.org if you want to see the history of specific requests.
Kirk
Kirk
Hi, all! Been away for awhile...
I love this thread!
I am writing to mention the proposal in the newest Fasttrack to move the ITS Civic EX to ITA at 2305lbs... THANK YOU MATT! What do you think is the probability of success?
Even if it is a success, I think the car will not be a match for the CRX's. Much has been made of power to weight ratios, but not braking-to-weight ratios. If the 3 cars (CRX, Civic EX, and Integra GSR) all have similar power to weight and the same size brakes, I'll pick the lighter car every time for a better brakeing to weight ratio.
-T
I love this thread!
I am writing to mention the proposal in the newest Fasttrack to move the ITS Civic EX to ITA at 2305lbs... THANK YOU MATT! What do you think is the probability of success?
Even if it is a success, I think the car will not be a match for the CRX's. Much has been made of power to weight ratios, but not braking-to-weight ratios. If the 3 cars (CRX, Civic EX, and Integra GSR) all have similar power to weight and the same size brakes, I'll pick the lighter car every time for a better brakeing to weight ratio.
-T
Richy Gonzalez
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First, if they move the 92-95 EX they would also need to move the 92-95 SI. Secondly, I would agree that the CRX would still be the prime candidate for competiveness but that hatchback SI has a soft spot in my heart. To the point that I'm already considering the idea of selling the CRX for a SI. ...but the SI would need to be reclass before I do.
On a side note, I'm getting excited about the posiblility of a new bread of cars appearing in ITA. ITA might just be the class to be in
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Richy Gonzalez
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On a side note, I'm getting excited about the posiblility of a new bread of cars appearing in ITA. ITA might just be the class to be in
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Richy Gonzalez
GB Racing - #24 ITA CRX
LAMIN-X Protective Films
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Ditto on moving the Si hatchback to ITA. Iam a CRX racer but know that within a couple of years I will need to build something new. The Advantage of the Si vs the EX for a CRX racer is that we can re-use our 14" wheels. Also, a hatchback is more practical carrying stuff when towing an open trailer with a small van.
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Make note that the Comp Board won't move the Si just because it makes sense to do so: When the MkIII Golf 2.0 got dropped to ITB, they didn't send the Jetta with it - simply because nobody asked.
Someone needs to specifically ask for the Si to be moved to A and include all of the years that you want listed. Heck, put ALL of the same generation EXs in the request since I don't think they are in the ITCS.
Base the request on the fact that the '96+ EX is already there and the earlier cars are headed that direction and it should go right through. Make SURE that you don't ask for a weight adjustment - either way - however! There is still no provision for this in the rules and your request will be denied simply because they can't adjust weights and won't consider only part of a request.
K
Someone needs to specifically ask for the Si to be moved to A and include all of the years that you want listed. Heck, put ALL of the same generation EXs in the request since I don't think they are in the ITCS.
Base the request on the fact that the '96+ EX is already there and the earlier cars are headed that direction and it should go right through. Make SURE that you don't ask for a weight adjustment - either way - however! There is still no provision for this in the rules and your request will be denied simply because they can't adjust weights and won't consider only part of a request.
K
downingracing
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No problem! It was nothing... Nothing that anyone else with +/- 2 years of letter writing and calling couldn't have accomplished!
And as far as braking ability of the cars, don't forget the "crazy mojo - Driver" factor. (I like to brake late!) And brakes only slow your lap times down. And the EX is a much bigger vehicle than the CRX - intimidation factor. And - you are correct, the CRX will probably still be the dominate car, but at least I won't be last anymore!
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Matt Downing
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downingracing
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My request was denied because I asked to have the weight increased. Changing the weight would be a comp. adjustment and we don't do comp. adjustments. They wouldn't modify my request - just denied it. My last request was to correct the classification and leave the weight (correct as classified) at 2305...
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Matt Downing
www.downingracing.com
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Matt Downing
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