Cheap Date

coutzen said:
It was a fun race. Our cars are pretty close - we just make time in different areas of the track. Again I'm sorry for the "love-tap" coming out of turn 3 on lap two. Once I learn how drive I'll try to put up a better fight for you.
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:)

yes, fun indeed!.... no prob on the love tap.....it just
surprised the hell out of me at the time!

:)
 
TimM ITB said:
But, after talking with Nat, he only saw the BMW in his mirror, but not me, tucked up next to him about at his rear driver side door. He turned in, I was on the brakes, but nudged him around his driver's rear wheel, which turned the nose of his car furhter "in" and then, IMHO, the BMW couldln't slow enough going inside into T6 and came out "high" .....hitting Nat as you see in the video.

Tim M
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Tim, that isn't what I see in the video at all. You may have nudged Nat that changed his direction a bit but I would hardly call this the 'BMW hitting Nat'. He was at the curb when he got clobbered!

Either way, lots of cars in there at weird angles, going for an apex that is on the back side of the turn. Recipe for contact as all.
 
Don't get me wrong Nat. I fully understand how it happened and it wasn't the usual "not paying attention". The BMW was hidden behind Tim, and you saw Tim back out so you figured it was clear. Like I said, a strange circumstance but the BMW had made the pass. If he's side by side, he's got the corner.

Tim, it looks to me like the BMW was on the inside curbing when he got hit. Not sure I see your perspective of him tracking out and hitting Nat.

But I'm only looking at one video................. but that's what it seems to be showing to me as an arm chair quarterback. :shrug:
 
coutzen said:
I had a pretty good start. Then on lap 2 the car just went around on me in turn 2. I recovered from the spin and then had some car to car connect in turn 6. This took a chunk of my from my right front wheel. After 2 more laps the tire went flat and my race was over. I pretty sure the ITB Volvo just did not see me. Here is the video. Don't mind the sound it got out of sync for some reason. It was a fun 1st lap for me at least.
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I would love to see the video going into turn 3 Saturday! That must have been a "hold your breath moment"!

Stephen
 
It appears to me to be a prime example of someone being a little over zealous trying to make up for a mistake and getting in the middle of another classes race at the wrong spot.
 
Here is a link from my point of view on the start. Almost into first overall but then WAY to chicken to stay 3 wide up on the outside.... OK to chicken to go that fast anyway :) I then tried the over/under move in turn 6 on Ann but she wasn't having any of that! Great racing with her!

Stephen


http://youtu.be/G7F9XZcwKpQ
 
Harvey said:
It appears to me to be a prime example of someone being a little over zealous trying to make up for a mistake and getting in the middle of another classes race at the wrong spot.
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I'll ask a question for Greg Amy, LOL. (And me, playing devils advocate)

So what is he supposed to do? he's way faster, was completely alongside, and was way on the curb, and appeared to not be sliding.
A pass can't get much more 'complete'.
So, yea, I get that sometimes you have to assume the other guy sees, or doesn't see you. I get that. pick your spots. But, when you're going for an overall trophy, and your laps are very similar to the leaders, you can't hang back and see how it pans out if you are going to challenge for a position.

Nat's a good driver, has a good reputation, has no history of not seeing traffic, blocking or any other hooligans. If it were me, from what I see in that video, I don't see any big evidence that would make me do different that what the BMW did.
Also, if the BMW doesn't go for that move, with a flock of other cars on the outside, where do you draw the line?? He was completely alongside, maybe even ahead at the point of contact.

Early laps, lots of two and three wide, guys sorting it out. Gotta have your wits about you and expect the unusual, especially with an ITR car that just spun and in the middle of an ITB flock.

I have a hard time placing any blame on the BMW.
 
Volvo guys sticking together! LOL

I probably would have been exactly where that BMW was if I was in the same position, but I would have thought that there was a real possibility that the Vulva was not focusing on a faster car on the inside. Not sure I see anything he (BMW) did wrong but more vids would be cool.
 
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My first post about it was just to bust Nat's ass. My second was just explaining my position. Nat's an excellent driver and I can fully understand he couldn't/didn't see the BMW. The BMW was probably outside of Nat's mirrors and if Nat has any sort of HANs device probably couldn't turn his head enough to look back that far. So yes, I would chalk it up as a racing incident........... But not one without a little blame. As i said above, a strange situation.

Nat, Tim, post up those videos!! :eclipsee_steering:
 
I should have a video from the second row of three wide cars (right behind Nat & Tim) The lap prior the exact same thing happened to me and I went off driver right of turn 6 but was able to power through the gravel. You just can't go three wide in that turn :). I will post more later when I get a chance to see my video and type on somethng other than my phone!!!

Raymond
 
OOPS. Did not mean to assign blame to the BMW! My comments only meant to shed light on the "3 cars in a 2 car space" situation! If I was in the ITR BMW I would have probably trying the same pass.......if I was Nat I would have been turning in not knowing that I was on his rear quarter......I was trying not to be where I was in the "sandwich"...........a true racing incident in my opinion.
 
RSTPerformance said:
I should have a video from the second row of three wide cars (right behind Nat & Tim) The lap prior the exact same thing happened to me and I went off driver right of turn 6 but was able to power through the gravel. You just can't go three wide in that turn :). I will post more later when I get a chance to see my video and type on somethng other than my phone!!!

Raymond
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Here you go Raymond... Lookes like you had a great race! This is a GREAT couple of laps that looked like a lot of fun. I can't wait to run the NARRC-offs in the coupe :)

Stephen

http://youtu.be/4ZNINVhd8JY
 
Arm chair quarterback, video II

From Raymond's video it looks like when Nat hooked Tim's nose (or Tim jammed his nose into Nat rear quarter :D ) it pushed Nat into the BMW......... So yes, a second video shows a little more perspective....... It was Tim's fault!!!! :p
 
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I think I just posted my view of the race, (took a while to find my VHS to internet adapter). I think after reading above posts that Tim's description is probably pretty close. This video shows everything I remember from the race (some of us cottonheads don't have such great short term recall). As I said before I never saw the BMW even after contact.

Nat Wentworth
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well that absolutely clears it up, you were in full opposite
lock trying to correct for the pick maneuver Tim dealt you!
You had been spun; you didn't drive into anyone :(
and I can also see why you never ever saw Outsen!

also, I have a new appreciation for how fast you manage to
get that rolling brick around the track Nat!.... what is the steering
ratio on that? it looks like you have 100 turns lock to lock!

also, sounds like you need a gear between 2nd and 3rd!

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