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[grjones1]

I share what I've heard from others about you, but you have no problem calling someone a cheater when you don't really have a clue.
And no Robert, I'm not trying to 'frighten' you, I was simply keeping a record of what you posted, should you choose to edit it out.
BTW, please cite the section of the GCR that requires a competitor to own a copy.
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I realize what a distant leap of logic this is for you, Bill, but try to follow:
Every year's GCR supercedes the previous year. The GCR states that one must be familiar with the GCR. All events are exercised under the current GCR, and we must follow the rules within that GCR. I believe it is then reasonable to state that in order to meet these requirements one needs to possess a current 2004 GCR.

And only someone with your lack of character would think of editing out a statement found to be controversial. The same kind of character that produces heresay he has yet to prove, to cast aspersions on someone else's character.

Why don't you trot out to your back fence and gossip with the little old lady next door. You probably would derive a great deal of satisfaction from that practice.

And the "plate" rules related to rollbars did not come into effect until after 2001, so Greg's bar would have been illegal "in the past," as I stated. And the plate rule does in effect eradicate the 8-point rule. But I don't expect you to be able to follow that string either.
GRJ

 

[ddewhurst]

I have a question for Kirk the experienced racer. Why with all your experience would you mount a hand held fire bottle on the passengers side of the race car? Please don't respond with the Rally answer. Second question is why would someone with your race experience be using a hand held bottle ?

Have Fun

David

 

[planet6racing]

OK, two things just because I stumbled in (and it's Monday).

1) A competitor is not required to own the GCR. He/she must have access to one, but need not own one (and, you'd think that the SCCA would require you to own one just to get more of your money!).

2) If your downtube comes down next to a vertical surface (say the frame rail) and your mounting plate DOES NOT attach to the vertical rail, you are illegal. The rule reads (as stated on page 2) that the mounting plate SHALL attach to the vertical surface whenever possible.

I'm going to stumble back out now.

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com

 

[grjones1]

Originally posted by planet6racing:
OK, two things just because I stumbled in (and it's Monday).

1) A competitor is not required to own the GCR. He/she must have access to one, but need not own one (and, you'd think that the SCCA would require you to own one just to get more of your money!).

2) If your downtube comes down next to a vertical surface (say the frame rail) and your mounting plate DOES NOT attach to the vertical rail, you are illegal. The rule reads (as stated on page 2) that the mounting plate SHALL attach to the vertical surface whenever possible.

I'm going to stumble back out now.

OK, other Bill, "own," have access to, whatever. (You guys can sure nitpick on the most innocuous issues.)
And you wouldn't be illegal if it were not "possible" to attach a plate to the vertical surface, according to how the rule is stated. (BTW, my tubes mount to a floor plate and a vertical plate.)
GRJ

 

[lateapex911]

I'll take a crack here... (relax GRJ!) I bet Kirk has thought about how many fires actually get started...with something UNDER the car. (Dry grass is a favorite, say after a spin, when there was a little fuel sloshed, and the car won't restart)

I myself have found the need to grab, bail and spray, saving myself a big fire and a big mess.

Ideally, I think a hand held AND a system bottle (ooo cool, movable ballast!) is the way to go.

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

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[Knestis]

I totally missed your segue there, Jake but I've had very similar situations. I would indeed still have a handheld in my car with an onboard system, and have in the past.

At the PCRRC years ago, I put out a carb fire on an RS Scirocco that a friend was driving, with his 2.5# Halon "auxillary" bottle. I beat the pit/grid person to the punch by about 15 feet - she was bearing down on the project with 30# of Purple K that would have ruined our weekend...

K

PS - that should be Halon 1211 - NOT 1301 - because it is more directional when it squirts.

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[Bill Miller]

And the "plate" rules related to rollbars did not come into effect until after 2001, so Greg's bar would have been illegal "in the past," as I stated. And the plate rule does in effect eradicate the 8-point rule. But I don't expect you to be able to follow that string either.

Wrong on both counts Robert. And the 'special dispensation comment of yours was in reference to George's cage, which happens to be in a car that's currently under construction.

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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
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[ddewhurst]

Jake & Kirk, I am sure the hand held rule was put in place so that people like the two of you could put out grass fires. Your both just playing CYA for each other just like the Production folks. I hope that neither of you have a quick/serious fire within your cars because I have viewed fried hand flesh because of a fire within the cockpit.

If you two would quit spining off track you wouldn't be having grass fires to put out.

Have Fun

David

 

[lateapex911]

Always entertaining David!

CYA????? ya lost me pal! Anyway, did I say that I did or did not have a system bottle?

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

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[Knestis]

I can never figure out how to take David.

K

 

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by Knestis:
I can never figure out how to take David.

K

Yea...but that's part of the fun...a little head scratching!

Better than some I've seen ....

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

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[grjones1]

Pass.

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[gsbaker]

<font face=\"Verdana, Arial\" size=\"2\">\"I can never figure out how to take David.\"</font>

and

<font face=\"Verdana, Arial\" size=\"2\">\"Yea...but that's part of the fun...a little head scratching!\"</font>

Kirk and Jake,

I've met David and he's a stand-up guy. You guys would like him, even if you can't figure him out on the board.

Hey David,

Will these fellows still have a chance to meet you at the ARRC?

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

 

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by grjones1:
Pass.

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Now THIS is interesting......

"Pass"????

GRJ, this is what you said up the thread..

<font face=\"Verdana, Arial\" size=\"2\">And only someone with your lack of character would think of editing out a statement found to be controversial. </font>

Now, I DID read what you wrote originally, (to Bill) and my eyes bugged out when I read it. I would indeed call it controversial. I won't repeat it here......

It's this sort of behavior, and slanderous comments that gets you the reactions you seem to get.

I AM glad to see though that you finally figured out that it WASN'T proper...but your timing was poor...still, a step in the right direction I suppose.....

And Gregg, yes, that was my point...I like David, and find him to be a stand up guy, but need to think sometimes while reading his posts...not a bad scenario!



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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]

 

[grjones1]

I AM glad to see though that you finally figured out that it WASN'T proper...but your timing was poor...still, a step in the right direction I suppose.....

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Jake, you are too fast for me. I thought I had edited it out before anyone could have seen it, and therefore it would not have been controversial. But you did the same thing a few posts ago: "Ohhhh...nevermind...."
But I guess if I change my mind it's not OK.

Why is it that anyone beleives he can address someone anyway he likes, and not expect the same treatment. When I lash out in anger, as I did with the VW thing, I expect and deserve the same treatment. But not when I'm simply trying to make a point without insulting anyone. I am not the only one on this forum who has suggested that someone's interpretation of a rule was in his opinion "cheating." I didn't call anyone a "cheater". I simply perceived what I saw in a photograph as not according to the rules. And yet I am bombarded with false paraphrases of what I said. The frustration here is that you misquote and misparaphrase and misinterpret comments in order to degrade the speaker, and then you get all excited when the speaker retaliates in kind. You have repeatedly ridiculed my car and you don't expect me to find fault with yours? Come on. This is no way to run a circus.
You call my behavior in question but I strike back when people attack me. Again, it's a two-way street. Don't insult me, I won't insult you. I will be as caustic as you.
At least I base my comments on what I read someone saying and not on some hogwash that someone was supposed to have said about someone. I'm surprised that your own ethics wouldn't find fault with that kind of behavior. And afterall, Jake, it was in the form of a question and not an assertion, but you may pass it on if you like. I decided it wasn't worth the effort.

Gee, I said I was going to give up on this forum. Why am I still torturing myself? I apologize once again to those who do not deserve to have to put up with this sort of ranting. I go away now.
GRJ
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[ddewhurst]

***Will these fellows still have a chance to meet you at the ARRC?***

Gregg, maybe, if I live through a week at the Runoffs. That is a long a$$ed drive into the cold mountains of Peach country. I would enjoy watching the cars flat a$$ haul around that track. Sounds like a fast place.

Hey Gregg, thanks for the favorable comment. (stand-up guy)

David

 

[gsbaker]

Originally posted by ddewhurst:
...I would enjoy watching the cars flat a$$ haul around that track. Sounds like a fast place.

Hey Gregg, thanks for the favorable comment. (stand-up guy)

David

Anytime, sir.

You would like RA South, as some call it. I've been on RA North and RA South and they are both great, just different.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com

 

[Tom Donnelly]

grega,

I was looking at the pics on your site. And I'm asking for educational reasons only.

My bracing for the rear strut towers is similar to yours except the tube between the towers connects between the two downtubes that hit the towers on each side. You know, just move your brace up on to the downtubes instead of the tower.

Those three tubes (one up, one down (both angled) and one across), are they mounted to plates on the strut towers? You may have already stated this but I really would rather not pick though this thread. Its hard to tell from the photo, can't see the welds.

The lower mounts on my car are similar too, mine are half on the rocker and partially on the floor.

And I've seen designs like Geo's and assumed it was legal, for what thats worth.

Tom

 

[Knestis]

K

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[Tom Donnelly]

Yep, thats the picture I'm asking about. The front of the strut tower looks squared off like there is a plate welded in front that makes a 90 degree bend towards the back.

But the side facing the camera is painted red so it blends and the weld marks aren't so clear. I know that that tube wouldn't do much good welded straight to the tower without a plate, on my Datsun you could just about punch a hole in the metal with your finger its so thin.

Tom