Easiest path to the run-offs

Bring it Ben! We could always do like cars were doing at the last event I was at and pit on the green flag lap, wait for everyone to get ~1/2 lap ahead of us, then have our own battle! (Of course, it won't matter. I'll still win!)

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
 
Originally posted by planet6racing:
...If you want to go pro, quit racing in the SCCA. Go down to the local oval track and build a car for that....

Plus, you can actually win money at those tracks....

Ben,

Bill is right. Assuming you can keep the car in one piece, oval can mean racing for free if you are good--next best thing to getting paid.

We have customers who can, if they want, race one local track on Friday and another on Saturday, each good for a heat race plus a feature. It is not unusual for them to be up a few hundred dollars after a good weekend.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com
 
The small ovals have caught my interest although I really prefer road racing MUCH MUCH more. This weekend at Brainerd there was a NASCAR series there. Not the big NASCAR boys, but some feeder series or something. Man, for being a smaller series these boys had some cash. At an SCCA race I see some folks in the stands with head sets. When the nascar dudes came out on track every single person of their crew, family, neighbor, got a head set. I even saw 3 little boys with full head sets on. 8 man crews, engine tear downs between sessions, new tires all over the place and some young drivers. What a crazy world. I should of got a picture of my crappy van and tent paddocked next to one of their mega pit spots. I tried to pull my car into their garage telling them 5th gear was gone and it seems out of tune and that we got to get it done before the next session but after they looked for 8 spark plugs and tried to take the heads off the motor they finally figured it out. Boy did I have some 'splain'n to do!

So what if I circle tracked to finance my road racing. I think we're on to something now. At 5' 5" and 135 lbs. I know I weight less then most of them good ole boys. Do they weight with the driver in the car?
 
***I'll go beat David and Bill at Blawkhawk in Rocktober***

Ok
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David

ps: Mike S., please stop talking about age because your going to get me thinking about how many years young I am.
 
Ben,

Here's what I did, not sure if I'd recommend it. First went to the Jim Russell school in the 80's and tried to catch a ride. And actually got one. At the time, I was young and dumb and didn't realize the oportunity was so rare. I wasn't all that thrilled with the team, car and prep and didn't think about seat time or experience. I opted out and went back to college to get my degree.
And now I'm running in IT. But it took me 20 more years to get back in a car.

College did give me something to fall back on. And I'm not starving or wearing a sign that says "will race for food".

Tom
 
Originally posted by ddewhurst:
ps: Mike S., please stop talking about age because your going to get me thinking about how many years young I am.

EXPERIENCED!!!! (Sorry, I keep forgetting. Probably ol..... DOH!)

I'm a firm believer that it's not hold old you are, it's how old you act. I'll be fine for years to come!!!!
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Originally posted by ddewhurst:
...most times you don't understand what I am posting or don't give a dam or you think educated Phd mind is above & beyond. ...

See? I'm trying to remember when I pissed Mr. D. off...
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K
 
Actually, I am! And... uh... I guess I don't get the joke either...

I really am wondering if there's a SSA or SSB message board. My search turned up nothin'. Just interested in doing some more reading instead of work. Did I say that?
 
Originally posted by Knestis:
See? I'm trying to remember when I pissed Mr. D. off...
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K


I'm guessing it was this comment from the "Component removal" thread:
posted August 23, 2004 10:39 PM
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I can never figure out how to take David.
K

or maybe not....

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]
 
When I got interested in racing I bought lunch for the local sports car racing guru and we talked about this issue. His advice was that if you wanted to learn to "race" get into SR(now SRF)and if you just wanted to win, get into some undersubscribed class(ie GT4, GT5, GP) and go to the Runoffs. If you watch the few results that they post in Sportscar, you see that this advice is still as good today as it was 15 yrs ago.
BTW I started in SR and then moved into IT. National racing lost all glamour for me when I realized that my IT times at RA would have me in the top 10 for GT2 but hopelessly behind the top 2 cars. Now I may really try for the Runoffs in the SM but just to get the t-shirt.
Another splash in the punchbowl.
 
I wouldn't consider AS to be a cheap thrill, both in time and money at the runoff level will set you back bigtime.

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Lance Snyder
Atlanta Region F&C

No more the small one, the weak one, the frightened one.
Running from beatings, deflating.
I'm becoming more than a man. More than you ever were.
Driven and burning to rise beyond Jesus.
 
I agree it isn't a cheap thrill at the runoffs, but most of the legal, off-the-shelf go fast parts as well as the basic running gear items for a Chevy or Ford are far more plentiful and in many cases cheaper than they would be for our IT cars or even LP Prod cars for that matter (Case in point, price up a T10 racing gearbox for an AS vs a custom gearset for a Honda or a Suzuki....if you can even find someone to make a set for you!) My neighbor was recounting how much he had to spend on an alternator for his 510 when it died at the ARRC last year. A Chevy alternator was about 1/3 the price, and every parts store in the area carried one.

And it doesn't cost much to go really fast in a straight line in an AS, and to me, the idea of upshifting and accelerating up that d*mn hill at Road America would indeed be a cheap thrill to me. In an ITC car, you basically had time to read "War & Peace" or do the "Times" crossword puzzle
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[This message has been edited by Greg Gauper (edited August 26, 2004).]
 
In reference to the local bullrings a few observations from personal experience...I dabbled in driving in various classes: mini-stocks, IMCA modifieds, Legends (on asphalt) and a full tube late model running on alcohol (all others on dirt). While all were a lot of fun, its a whole different ballgame from road racing in SCCA/NASA/PCA/BMWCCA.

Even with engine claiming rules/spec tires/spec classes, it is still a very expensive proposition. Remember the old adage "How fast you want to spend?" Your tear up a LOT of stuff banging in the bullrings...especially on dirt...in IMCA we went thru 2-4 tires a weekend either thru wear or cuts...in late model expect even bigger tire bills. Have plenty of rims, ball joints, shocks...expect to lose a few of each every month or so. Dirt regularly chews up U-joints, whell bearings and shocks not to mention engine internals.

As far as prize money...the guys that win $1000 features are running engines that cost upwards of $30K...$5K trannies...$4K rear ends...$700 shock at each corner...all which have to be freshened every 6-8 weekends. Say you finish consisitently at 5th place or so...pays maybe $300 or so.

Well, you get the picture. The thing that suprised me the most was there are a lot of talented, hungry guys at the local level. Plus the sophistication of the cars, even in the lesser classes, is amazing. Set up is key: remember in road racing we generally set the car up balanced on each end; i.e., right to left is the same. In an oval car every corner is different...weights, tire size, wheel offset, shocks, springs, ride height, etc.

For me the most enjoyable racing were the Legends on a 3/16th asphalt oval. Really a hoot and "relatively" inexpensive. But not exactly the path to fame and fortune in motorsports.

Finally...as far as progressing to a series like ARCA, Hooters etc...there was a reality series on CMT called "Driven" abvout young guns trying make it in the lower echelons of asphalt ovals with a hope to make it to the show. Try to catch it when it reumes next year. rMoney was the key no matter how good the were...every team was looking not at the driving talent as much as what $$$$ each could bring. One guy decided to start his own team and leverage every thing he and his parents owned to borrow $800,000 to fund ONE season of Hooters cup.

Beyond that I say "Go for your dreams."

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We have customers who are engaged in nearly every form of racing imaginable, probably the weirdest being drag boats (ever seen a 2,000hp surfboard?). By way of casual observation, I would suggest that there are only two common forms of racing where one can at least break even and possibly make a couple of bucks, but only if the driver is very good and very smart: circle track racing and drag racing.

This only works if cool heads prevail, and it does not mean "professional" as in quit-your-day-job.

There are oval drivers--very, very good amateur oval drivers--who can qualify up front, jump to the lead on the green and stay there through the checkered. This is fine for the local stuff, but won't pay the bills if you want to take a team national. Not even close.

Drag racing is probably the best route because crashes, and the associated repairs, are not that common. Entry fees are reasonable and winners get a check.

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Gregg Baker, P.E.
Isaac, LLC
http://www.isaacdirect.com
 
Originally posted by Greg Gauper:
And it doesn't cost much to go really fast in a straight line in an AS, and to me, the idea of upshifting and accelerating up that d*mn hill at Road America would indeed be a cheap thrill to me. In an ITC car, you basically had time to read "War & Peace" or do the "Times" crossword puzzle
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[This message has been edited by Greg Gauper (edited August 26, 2004).]

To hell with that, just make a mount for your laptop and get some work accomplished while on track.
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Lance Snyder
Atlanta Region F&C

No more the small one, the weak one, the frightened one.
Running from beatings, deflating.
I'm becoming more than a man. More than you ever were.
Driven and burning to rise beyond Jesus.
 
Sure, but isn't that hill cool! I don't know if it's just me, but when you start to head up it I like the feeling of getting pushed down in the seat a little bit. My parents and crew are usually on the side of the bridge so it makes it a little more interesting.
 
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