ECU Rule Input to the CRB

ECU Rule - Your Input

  • Keep the current rule and wording

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Allow chip replacements and reprogramming of stock chips

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Allow open engine control system replacement

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    0

Greg Amy

Administrator
Staff member
First, please write or email the CRB in regards to your preference as to the ECU rule. Second, once you've done that, please anonymously select one of the items above as to how you "voted".

Please, no discussion of the various merits of the options; we've got plenty of discussions all over this board on that already. In fact, if someone tries to open discussion on the proposals here, I'm probably going to move your post to the appropriate existing topic (hey, it's my topic, dammit, and I can do with it what I want... ;) ).

However, if you do choose option 4, "Other", it would be interesting to hear from you what you suggested... - Greg


Below is the solicitation for membership input, as posted in the March 2007 Fastrack (typos mine):

Improved Touring

The CRB and the ITAC wish to get member feedback on a modification of the existing rules regarding the ECU (Engine Control Unit) allowances in Improved Touring.

The existing rule, known as the “inside the stock housing” rule, creates an arbitrary situation that allows some, but not all cars, to modify or replace their ECUs at varying degrees of cost and complexity. As it stands, the wording of the existing rule constrains certain cars from doing anything, while allowing others to run complete engine management systems, including, in some instances non stock sensors.

Significantly, all cars in IT are classed using a process that includes presumed gains from the ECU change. As not all cars can affect those changes, competition inequities result.

Increasingly, more and more cars are delivered with complex and interwoven systems that interfere with racing by limiting engine rpms, top speed, stability management as well other issues, some as yet unseen.
Therefore, the CRB would like to solicit member response to three options:

1. Keep the current rule and wording. In this case, there would be no changes to the existing wording.

2. Allow chip replacements and reprogramming of stock chips. The intent with this option is to eliminate the practice of replacing the stock ECU with aftermarket control systems. Chips may be removed and replaced or reflashed. All modifications must be done through the original chip solder points. This will give options, but the complexity of such changes and the availability of commercially available solutions will vary from car to car. The intent with this option is to simplify the possibilities, but the performance parity may suffer compared to other options.

9.1.3.D.1.6 :
ECUs may be altered by reprogramming the stock chip(s), or by removing the stock chip(s) and replacing with any assembly using the same connection points. Any assembly must fit within the stock ECU enclosure. Installation of fixed resistors is allowed between the sensor and the OEM wiring harness. Adjustable fuel pressure regulators are allowed.


3. Allow open engine control system replacement. The current state of electronics has spawned a number of inexpensive EMS (Engine Management Systems) that are more approachable to the average racer. For these reasons, it seems prudent to open up the existing rule by removing the “in the box” clause, so as to allow the substitution of these systems. Furthermore, as some systems operate better with certain sensors, specific sensors will be allowed to be added.

However, the existing Air Flow Meter (AFM) or equivalent device, must be retained and operate as delivered from the factory completely unaltered.

By opening up the ECU rule to aftermarket systems, it is felt that more racers will be able to achieve “process power” and at lesser price points. As the IT classing process already presumes ECU gains, no performance increase is anticipated over what is currently achievable or predicted.

9.1.3.D.1.6
Altering or replacement of the engine management computer is allowed. The addition or substitution of a throttle position sensor and/or a MAP sensor and the associate wiring is permitted. Existing sensors, excluding the stock air metering device, may be substituted. Adjustable fuel pressure regulators are permitted. Where possible, wording has been removed that reminds competitors of things not permitted, such as the modification of the stock ECU box. As the category is based on the cornerstone principle that nothing may be modified unless specifically authorized, the extra wording can be counter productive.


Please forward your comments to the CRB.
 
I could have chosen two of the poll options, had that been possible. I gave my support for one of the three options provided in the Fastrack request, but also expressed support for another option not included in the request (open EMS w/stock sensors/wires only). So you could add one check under the "other" option above.
 
I could have chosen two of the poll options, had that been possible. I gave my support for one of the three options provided in the Fastrack request, but also expressed support for another option not included in the request (open EMS w/stock sensors/wires only). So you could add one check under the "other" option above.
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My letter said exactly the same thing Earl.
 
Actually, what matters is the getting and reading peoples thoughts and well informed opinions. We've been rather lucky to have gotten much praise in the letters for the mere fact that we've taken on the issue, and compliments on the method and the presentation as well. Apparently, reasonable requests inspire resonable responses.

So we'll gather the input, discuss it, and them make a recommendation to the CRB. They will then take it into consideration, and either bounce it back to us, or make a call.

But, lets not consider the case closed, we're still looking for, and getting input.

I am impressed also that some who race in IT, but don't own ECU equipped cars have written in and voted, and interestingly, their votes haven't been self serving.

Let's hear from more of you!
 
Actually, what matters is the getting and reading peoples thoughts and well informed opinions. We've been rather lucky to have gotten much praise in the letters for the mere fact that we've taken on the issue, and compliments on the method and the presentation as well. Apparently, reasonable requests inspire resonable responses.

So we'll gather the input, discuss it, and them make a recommendation to the CRB. They will then take it into consideration, and either bounce it back to us, or make a call.

But, lets not consider the case closed, we're still looking for, and getting input.

I am impressed also that some who race in IT, but don't own ECU equipped cars have written in and voted, and interestingly, their votes haven't been self serving.

Let's hear from more of you!
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Jake, have you heard how many letters the CRB has received on this subject? The vote doesn't matter much here as much as a letter would to the CRB.
 
Jake, have you heard how many letters the CRB has received on this subject? The vote doesn't matter much here as much as a letter would to the CRB.

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They all fall into a folder we have access to. 21 to date right now. Last one in is Marty Doane's - so if he tells us when he sent his, you can get a feeling for how quick they hit our inbox.
 
They all fall into a folder we have access to. 21 to date right now. Last one in is Marty Doane's - so if he tells us when he sent his, you can get a feeling for how quick they hit our inbox. [/b]



Wow, that's disappointing! Only 21 people give a rats ass what happens to this in IT !?!? Are the rest of the members that complacent?
 
Wow, that's disappointing! Only 21 people give a rats ass what happens to this in IT !?!? Are the rest of the members that complacent?
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Typically yes, and now that the fastrac is not in the magazine if less people know what is going on. I am shocked at how many people I have talked to about this that don't have a clue about any of it. What ever happens it will be based on a small amount of input. Apathy SUCKS!
 
This is actually a great argument for a printed FastTrack. Sorry but I bet the actual readership dropped in half when it went electronic. As much sense as it makes to those of use here, there are lots of folks that just don't get into the computer thing.
 
This is actually a great argument for a printed FastTrack. Sorry but I bet the actual readership dropped in half when it went electronic. As much sense as it makes to those of use here, there are lots of folks that just don't get into the computer thing.
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Chris, I have 3 customers that I print it out for because they refuse to learn how to get it..
 
You think there would be more didication to the document that outlined rule changes and asked for input.

Two things that need to be back in SC - Regional racing and FT. I am sure TONS of prospective SCCA members salivate over the pics of 50's British cars winning races in 4 car fields...not.
 
They all fall into a folder we have access to. 21 to date right now. Last one in is Marty Doane's - so if he tells us when he sent his, you can get a feeling for how quick they hit our inbox. [/b]

2/27 1:49 PM EST
 
Been away on this one, what is the Board's email address? Don't have a ECU car, just carb cars, but I'm thinking ahead for my R car.

Thanks,
Ron
 
Just sent my letter to the crb.

I am in favor of an open ECU rule that allows the replacement of the stock ECU with an aftermarket unit and the addition/replacement of sensors and wiring needed to control the engine with the new ECU. The addition and replacement of sensors should not allow for an air intake path larger than the restriction provided by the throttle body butterfly valve and the idle bypass valve if fitted as stock equipment.

Here is an attempt at updating the rule.

9.1.3.D.1.6 with updates…
Altering or replacement of the engine management computer is allowed. The addition or substitution of a throttle position sensor, and/or a MAP sensor, and/or a crank angle sensor and their associated wiring is permitted. Existing sensors<strike>, excluding the stock air metering device,</strike> may be substituted. All air entering the intake plenum shall pass through the stock unmodified throttle body butterfly valve (cars originally equipped with an idle bypass valve may retain or remove the idle bypass valve) . Adjustable fuel pressure regulators are permitted. Where possible, wording has been removed that reminds competitors of things not permitted, such as the modification of the stock ECU box. As the category is based on the cornerstone principle that nothing may be modified unless specifically authorized, the extra wording can be counter productive

I am not a rule writing expert and this may cause more issues than it solves, but it seems reasonable to me....at least right now...
 
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