"RR"? Rolling Rock?Originally posted by lateapex911@Nov 3 2005, 09:17 PM
...Now, when will you release the RR version???
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"RR"? Rolling Rock?Originally posted by lateapex911@Nov 3 2005, 09:17 PM
...Now, when will you release the RR version???
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Originally posted by gsbaker@Nov 3 2005, 09:14 PM
Yes, the adhesive is impressive. If you stick an Isaac mount to the top of most IT cars, you could lift the car with it. The gearhead in me looks at the numbers and says, "Sure, that'll work", but I still have a hard time believing it when I see it.
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Originally posted by gsbaker@Nov 4 2005, 03:29 PM
MC,
Wise guy.
You are, of course, correct sir. However, the tensile strength is roughly twice the shear strength for this material so--downhill with a tailwind and a little luck--you are probably looking at a load carrying capacity north of 5,000# (each) in tension. Less in shear.
Hey, maybe we could pick up an Excursion or Hummer as a demo.
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Ben,Originally posted by benracin@Nov 4 2005, 12:49 PM
...Now lets see those other guys numbers so that we can point and whisper about them...
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Originally posted by gsbaker@Nov 3 2005, 12:54 PM
(Drumroll please)
As some of you may have guessed, we were testing some design concepts at the Delphi lab in Vandalia, Ohio. The 70G test protocol we used is a specific version of what has come to be known as the SFI test. It's not the easy, straight-ahead frontal test, it's the 30 degree offset frontal which generates the highest head loads. It's a designer's nightmare. If you can pass this one you can pass the straight frontal.
Because we don't have a specific value. Frontal loads are always lower than offsets, so if the offset is below the frontal limit, why bother running frontal tests?Originally posted by ITS48Datsun240Z@Nov 5 2005, 11:23 PM
...But I've got to play the devil's advocate, and ask for the results of the straight ahead 70G impact, and why you're not quoting those figures?
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Originally posted by gsbaker@Nov 6 2005, 09:37 PM
Because we don't have a specific value. Frontal loads are always lower than offsets, so if the offset is below the frontal limit, why bother running frontal tests?
Originally posted by 944-spec#94@Nov 7 2005, 10:52 AM
The ONLY reason to do a frontal impact is marketing.
Gregg and the boys are smart enough to calcuate the worst case and if they say the 30 deg offset is worse than I bet it is.
And with limited testing budget... why do an expensive test that is less stressfull than the one you just passed. <_<
There is no connection between head position and head loads. This is an old wive's tale left over from the last millennium. Move your head as far forward as possible. Are you dead?Originally posted by M. Hurst@Nov 7 2005, 08:40 PM
If the device does a better job of limiting motion side to side, than forward and back, the loads will be less in an offset test...think about it.
Sure, if we expected to learn something. But no one is going to bother conducting a test if they know the outcome a priori--any more than you would pay a lab to throw a ball in the air just to see if it would come down.If you're at delphi anyway, wouldn't it be cost effective to turn the table on the sled straight and do one more pull?
See post #134.BTW my neck moves side to side, but my knee doesn't, is this unique?
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Not much compared to medical! A simple follow-up study for a simple medical device will run at least $1 million and take about five years. A full-blown double-blind prospective controlled study for a pharmaceutical is now about 1/2 billion.Originally posted by lateapex911@Nov 7 2005, 11:56 PM
Gregg, just curious...I remeber discussing this wheN Jay (Wright) passed away, but I can't remeber the specifics. How much does a test actually cost??
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Exactly.Originally posted by lateapex911@Nov 9 2005, 01:58 AM
...And you wouldn't "learn" anything per se, but you could pinpoint a number, which would at least give you an answer for the doubters...
Or buy the beer.On the other hand, you can give away a lot of product for $6K and make some friends that way, LOL!
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