Fuel test port letter 8816

Stephen is describing a system wherein honesty is reinforced among the majority but thieves KNOW all of the stuff about not getting caught, so retailers lose every year. If there's NO enforcement - and I have NEVER seen fuel checks at a Regional - people who want to cheat will cheat....
K
Just for the record, some regions do testing at regional events, but they are certainly in the vast minority. A lot of this is dependent on local management and the availability of tech personnel. It is unfortunate that more regions don't do the at-track dielectric constant testing. Of course, the laboratory testing is almost always done as the result of one competitor protesting another. A very, very small number of regions have programs to do some laboratory testing, but it is expensive and only a small number of tests are done.

Dave
 
Using our entry fees, doesn't part of this go to making sure the region has the correct tools? If we are required to put them in, and the tests are expensive, why don't the regions just do one select group? Top 5 in class? Top 3? I mean if we are paying for it why not use it? The region could randomly draw one class a weekend. Still keeps the scare in it. Don't do it till the end of the weekend. Why not?
 
Stephen is describing a system wherein honesty is reinforced among the majority but thieves KNOW all of the stuff about not getting caught, so retailers lose every year. If there's NO enforcement - and I have NEVER seen fuel checks at a Regional - people who want to cheat will cheat.

K

There is no "enforcement" on any of the hundred cheat items on the cars. There is no magic fuel testing program. Asking for random testing of fuel is like asking for random testing of cams or port matching or pistons.

There are fuel rules. If you suspect cheating you can protest. That's what a fuel test port allows.
 
To clarify, I completely understand that fuel cheating is exactly like other cheating and has to be dealt with the same way. In our organization, the entrants are the "retailers" in my example.

When I say, "I've never seen a check," that means, "nobody to my knowledge has ever filed such a protest" at an event I've attended. I did *not* say that the Regions are somehow to blame for it. My point was simply that the mere presence of the port is NOT sufficient deterrent that we can count on it to prevent cheats.

K
 
Using our entry fees, doesn't part of this go to making sure the region has the correct tools?
Many regions have the tools (DC meter, chemicals), but not enough tech workers to carry out the tests (money taken from entries does not help that problem in a volunteer organization).
If we are required to put them in, and the tests are expensive, why don't the regions just do one select group? Top 5 in class? Top 3? I mean if we are paying for it why not use it? The region could randomly draw one class a weekend. Still keeps the scare in it. Don't do it till the end of the weekend. Why not?
The expensive tests are the laboratory tests ($250 each). For regions that have small fields (50 -100 cars), spreading the cost of several such tests will quickly impact the cost of a race entry. Even for regions with 200+ entries, doing a significant number of tests will have an impact on entry fees. And, tech folks are still needed to take the samples and package them for shipment to the laboratory.

Dave
 
To clarify, I completely understand that fuel cheating is exactly like other cheating and has to be dealt with the same way. In our organization, the entrants are the "retailers" in my example.

When I say, "I've never seen a check," that means, "nobody to my knowledge has ever filed such a protest" at an event I've attended. I did *not* say that the Regions are somehow to blame for it. My point was simply that the mere presence of the port is NOT sufficient deterrent that we can count on it to prevent cheats.

K
If you had been at an event where someone had protested fuel, I'd have been shocked. The number of times that has happened since the new program has been in effect is countable on only a few fingers. The bulk of the laboratory tests that have been done have been due to a few regions with large spec classes and SCCA Enterprises for SRF and FE at selected events.

Dave
 
To clarify, I completely understand that fuel cheating is exactly like other cheating and has to be dealt with the same way. In our organization, the entrants are the "retailers" in my example.

When I say, "I've never seen a check," that means, "nobody to my knowledge has ever filed such a protest" at an event I've attended. I did *not* say that the Regions are somehow to blame for it. My point was simply that the mere presence of the port is NOT sufficient deterrent that we can count on it to prevent cheats.

K

Fair point. And you are right, fuel port is the only compliance item that requires the entrant to install a device that would assist with the protest. We aren't required to install quick release cams. On the other hand, this is a compliance items that has a potential health impact on other racers and workers. Can you really imagine SCCA taking the position that it would be ok to banish the test port and essentially give free use of noxious and dangerous chemicals? Highly doubtful (insert your own SFI rant here).

edit: by that I mean "go ahead and argue that even with the test port we don't generally test so how is this saving us from dying of cancer?" you may be right, but whether it is used or not, effective or not, we as a club can hardly go back now. Which is why the response to the letter will be "Sorry, no can do."
 
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I was responding in part to a PM that essentially scolded me for not being part of the enforcement solution. I frankly don't care very hard because I simply don't think the competitive pressures in IT have escalated to the point where entrants are "juicing." Hell - I'm too cheap to even buy plain Jane race gas. I use street car pump unleaded premium that probably isn't compliant because of ADM and the the corn lobby. :)

K
 
...I use street car pump unleaded premium...
K

TG: you were lucky to have premium ... there were a hundred and sixty
of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road.

MP: Cardboard box?

TG: Aye.

MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in
a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the
morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down
mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home,
out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in
the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to
work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad
would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we
were LUCKY!

TG: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox
at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues.
We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four
hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we
got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night,
half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), eat a lump
of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill
owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home,
our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves
singing "Hallelujah."

MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't
believe ya'.

ALL: Nope, nope..
 
Well that's why I suggested top 3 or 5. One class a weekend. I mean, in CFR they handle on of the biggest nationals of the year between the double at Sebring and the double at homested. Coming from the worker side, I have seen the large number of workers that this region gets. I know for some regions it would be higher in costs but I don't see why we still shouldn't keep the scare that your class will be the tested class. I mean if cost is so high, one race a year! The tech officials could still pick one class a weekend and fill up a sample so it seems as if they are checking but they just fill it. Takes two seconds to fill a cup? They don't have to send it away and doesn't cost any money, and takes one guy 6 seconds to fill three samples. Done. The scares in that you could be caught and everyone is on the same level.

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Corner 3: Control this is turn 3
Control: go ahead 3
Corner 3: when car 20 silver passes our station the exhaust has a foul odor that is making some of the workers feel sick.
Control: Corner 3 please write up an incident report and we will have the stewards investigate, Control to all other corners please observe car 20 silver for possible exhaust odor.

The incident report was not submitted, no action was taken, Fuel test were not on the tech plan for that weekend so our hands were tied.

Other drivers/entrants are not the only ones who can help catch the cheaters. However, if you don't want to make the effort to put it on paper nothing is going to be done.
 
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