HANS downside?
- Thread starter Flyinglizard
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In all likelihood, the risk of permanent injury including death in reverse order are:
1. Heart attack
2. Collision-induced injury, excluding fire
3. Fire.
If SCCA were to do a risk versus reward analysis of its safety equipment rules, we wouldn't be wearing nomex. Heart attacks probably are the number one killer of SCCA drivers while in the car or immediately following and wrapping yourself into a giant layer of insulation, climbing into a hot race car and exerting yourself = great gobs of strain on the heart.
We pant and our hearts continue to race after we get out of the car, not because we are out of shape, but because our bodies are trying to eliminate thermal energy.
I'm with u on this one, once the belts are off the hans doesnt do anything but sit on your neck. If you cant navigate getting out with it sitting on you... Well then you probably have a hard time getting up period. Dont. Lame it on the safety device, the hans works well and if your of normal stature, not a problem at all.
When I first tried a Hans in my RX7, the only way I could get into the car was to crawl in head first over into the passenger side then swing my legs under the column and drop into the seat. I have a pretty long torso compared to leg length and with the Kirkey head restraint halo's and the low roof line of the RX7, it was the only way in with the Hans on.
After that I bought a DefNder and it is a bit easier to get in and out, but it is still a monster effort with a fair bit of contorting to get out. After some practice I can get out of the car like a normal human being, but when I want to do it fast, I revert back to the older swing the upper part of my torso over the passenger side and come out legs first.
In my Cougar, the door opening is a lot larger and it uses a Sparco with head halo's. In that car, I slide in legs first, then I have to twist my upper body to a 45 degree angle and twist into the seat area, then fall into the seat. To get out, I have to take off the wheel, grab the cage support bar, lean forward until I clear the halo then twist sideways and bail out onto the road. Not graceful, but it works.
I know I am safer and yes I can get out of both cars inside of 8 seconds, but I wonder how easy it would be for a marshal to pull me out of either car if I was inconscious.....
Eric
After that I bought a DefNder and it is a bit easier to get in and out, but it is still a monster effort with a fair bit of contorting to get out. After some practice I can get out of the car like a normal human being, but when I want to do it fast, I revert back to the older swing the upper part of my torso over the passenger side and come out legs first.
In my Cougar, the door opening is a lot larger and it uses a Sparco with head halo's. In that car, I slide in legs first, then I have to twist my upper body to a 45 degree angle and twist into the seat area, then fall into the seat. To get out, I have to take off the wheel, grab the cage support bar, lean forward until I clear the halo then twist sideways and bail out onto the road. Not graceful, but it works.
I know I am safer and yes I can get out of both cars inside of 8 seconds, but I wonder how easy it would be for a marshal to pull me out of either car if I was inconscious.....
Eric
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lateapex911
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They claim it's SFI 38.1 approved, so, it must be SCCA compliant, as thats teh only theing SCCA allows.
Don't know about HANS comparisons. The sled numbers for the HANS are sorta out there, but this is totally an unknown other than them saying "It passed"
Don't know about HANS comparisons. The sled numbers for the HANS are sorta out there, but this is totally an unknown other than them saying "It passed"
I believe FIA FIA 8858 is also accepted (without SFI 38.1)
Either SFI 38.1 -or- FIA 8858 (or both obviously).
I actually do that 99.4% of the time,
, but I test to see how fast I can get out with the DefNder on. I also use the cars in multi-driver enduros, so I need to test and practice getting in and out with the device on as well. Its a pain, but it does work.Eric
lateapex911
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Yes, they responded to me....
I asked for more data, they said they are working on it...
On edit, I followed up with a specific query, but it's been days, and no response since.
I asked for more data, they said they are working on it...
On edit, I followed up with a specific query, but it's been days, and no response since.
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lateapex911
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lateapex911
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HANS is based in Georgia, I think/ I know thats where Downing is....
So, is it a joke??
Took the plunge on the NecksGen because,
1) Its cheaper than the HANS.
2) Adjustable from 10-40 degrees. No need to figure out what size neck I have or what angle I need to buy for my seat or size.
3) Has side protection.
4) No cumbersom harness to strap on
On to the pictures.
Just insert tab into latch on helmet.
Release by pushing down on the top button or pull the small lanyard. I wouldn't use the small lanyard though since the metal ring is pretty thin.
Kit also comes with other d-rings to make the device non-removable and all the tools you need to install the latch or adjust the angle. Carrying case, baseball cap, stickers and uniform patch also included.
1) Its cheaper than the HANS.
2) Adjustable from 10-40 degrees. No need to figure out what size neck I have or what angle I need to buy for my seat or size.
3) Has side protection.
4) No cumbersom harness to strap on
On to the pictures.
Just insert tab into latch on helmet.
Release by pushing down on the top button or pull the small lanyard. I wouldn't use the small lanyard though since the metal ring is pretty thin.
Kit also comes with other d-rings to make the device non-removable and all the tools you need to install the latch or adjust the angle. Carrying case, baseball cap, stickers and uniform patch also included.
Perhaps the new tethers cause a "redneck"?.....LOL