He loves the race track. He's only 2, but if I tell him on Monday that we are going to the race track this weekend, he will remember it all week. Oddly enough, the only other thing he remembers like that is when I tell him that Uncle Torch is coming over.
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He loves the race track. He's only 2, but if I tell him on Monday that we are going to the race track this weekend, he will remember it all week. Oddly enough, the only other thing he remembers like that is when I tell him that Uncle Torch is coming over.
Gregg
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So are mountain climbing and bull fighting...but Papa H thought they were pretty cool.
dave parker
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At my house WE call him "Uncle Greg".
Porsche can show you where he falls asleep (anywhere he sits down) and can tell you good stories about how loud some of the toys he buys are.
cheers
dave parker
lateapex911
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I do feel bad for those people who have to stop racing because they have to spend $500 every five years..... (or whatever it ends up being before we have to throw them away like we do hemets) That equiates to $100 a year (yeah, I'm a math genius)........ I spend more on fuel in one weekend than that!!
Jeff, yea, it's going to run me more like $2000 to be as safe as I was BEFORE they made me buy one. And I'll be lass safe, unless I buy a NEW CAR to get a bigger window, because I'm giving up egress space.
then of course the old seat goes into the dumpster, along with the belts and old HnR..
Just seems silly. And I HATE rules that everyone tells me are for my own good, but ya, know, the rule is REALLY good for other people to profit $ on, and really not good AT ALL for me.
I REALLY appreciate that some BoD members went to bat on this time and again, I get the stupid situation with legal issues, but I also look at the rule book, and i see SO much contradiction and hypocrisy it makes my head spin.
Such as: Seats may NOT have sliders such as the ones used on every Grand Am etc car built, but MAY be attached with velco, etc etc. (See Daves list)
yet we line up to pour money into some racketeers pockets.
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tom_sprecher
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Besides someone else telling me what is best for me, this aspect is what really irritates me. It only helped me finally decide to no longer subsidize the whole thing.
Test days = no rules = they get my $$$
Racing = too many rules = they don't get my $$$
Vote with your wallet. I doubt it's any more effective than voting for our political leaders, but it's definitely more satisfying.
Some drivers really need a H&N. I know hindsight is 20/20 but check out where he goes to opposite lock. All the indicators are there, steam, slowing car, and shiny racing surface. It's white knuckle time = no input = drive straight off if you must. H&N is for the lowest common denominator. The rest suck it up. "The club" has been making us jump through hoops for years so whats one more thing?
philakamrbean
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Ranger indicated the seat was a Kirkey Halo (not sure of model), and head and neck restraint was a Safety Solutions RS3 or something like that.
Just watched the British touring car series from Donington Park. The series leader, Jason Plato got forced off at 120mph on to the infield grass, hit an embankment,rolled and flipped 3 or 4 times...walked away feeling ok. He was wearing a HANS and most of the movement would have been lateral!Very subjective...but still better off for wearing the device, I would think.
Russ Myers
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Eric Medlin and Scott Kalitta died while wearing HANS deals. What's your point?
Russ
Russ
Russ....Since we have to wear a H&N device.....and HANS is one of the few choices(and I own one), of course I'm interested in how they do during an accident. Obviously, there are times(like Dan weldon's incident) where no H&N would have helped. I'm not familiar with the 2 men you spoke of.
Russ Myers
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Bruce,
I am one of those who is not in favor of MANDATED H&N deals. You don't really know if it actually saved you beacuse there is no A-B comparrison. I race a Pinto, it don't really have a whole lotta Delta-V. I actually know people who drive faster than my race car on I-485 around Charlotte. And I really do stand a better chance of being killed by someone texting while driving. I was wrecked this year at VIR, and listening to a bunch of folks, I shoulda been carried out on a slab. Walked away pissed, thats all. Not being mean or snooty, just don't like the idea, that's all.
Russ
I am one of those who is not in favor of MANDATED H&N deals. You don't really know if it actually saved you beacuse there is no A-B comparrison. I race a Pinto, it don't really have a whole lotta Delta-V. I actually know people who drive faster than my race car on I-485 around Charlotte. And I really do stand a better chance of being killed by someone texting while driving. I was wrecked this year at VIR, and listening to a bunch of folks, I shoulda been carried out on a slab. Walked away pissed, thats all. Not being mean or snooty, just don't like the idea, that's all.
Russ
Russ...I respect your opinion! Seems like we all have our knickers in a twist over H&N(rightfully so). It seems that every shunt I have seen on NASCAR,British touring cars, German touring cars, SCCA on YOUTUBE, ad naseum, the HANS is the only H&N device I have seen a driver wearing! That's not good for us...but since I own one, I've been trying to see how it worked in different accidents. BTW..Pintos are neat race cars, as are 2.3L MUstangs. I'm surprised more folks don't race them due to the availability of parts.
Happy XMAS season to you!
HANS has an even firmer hold on FIA-sanctioned racing (e.g., F1 and touring cars) than it does in the US. The big-dollar teams can also afford to design the entire seat and cockpit around the device, using the car to provide lateral protection.
There is NOTHING wrong with that and in fact, those comprehensive systems are an excellent advance in driver safety - like the removable head surrounds in formula cars. However, we deal with so many different kinds of chassis, seats, driver sizes, etc., that we should have more flexibility in our solutions.
We don't though. The ship has sailed. Most of the SCCA members that didn't go out and buy a HANS because they saw them on "real racing drivers" didn't give a damn about any of this until it was too late to influence policy.
K
There is NOTHING wrong with that and in fact, those comprehensive systems are an excellent advance in driver safety - like the removable head surrounds in formula cars. However, we deal with so many different kinds of chassis, seats, driver sizes, etc., that we should have more flexibility in our solutions.
We don't though. The ship has sailed. Most of the SCCA members that didn't go out and buy a HANS because they saw them on "real racing drivers" didn't give a damn about any of this until it was too late to influence policy.
K
lateapex911
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My understanding is that in F1 for example, HANS has made custom units. I'm not sure how far down the line custom units are available.
Bruce, that's great that people 'walk away".... but really, so? WHY they walked away is COMPLETELY unknown to us. We don't have the information to make the judgement. Maybe it was the seat?? Or the foam containment cell? Or maybe, even though he was bouncing around a lot, no individual impact imparted significant stress or G loading to his body. You just don't know. So, lets not toot about how great the HANS he was forced to wear is.
I tried on all the major players the other night, in Greg Amys car. I was shocked at how the HANS has zero adjustment to the tethers. They are what they are, no matter if you're a tall big guy with no neck, or a tall big guy with a giraffe neck. (Or some other combination). My head went pretty far forward and down before the straps hit. Then it felt like I was a dog that just hit the end of the leash. My head hurt after a few of those "what if" head tosses. To me, I'd think that one size doesn't fit all. Performance MUST vary from person to person, no?
Well, we just don't know. Call SFI and they will refuse to release any data except to say it passed the minimum level of acceptable in their required tests. HANS reports only the data they want to, and only from the dummy they use. (mandated by the 38.1 spec). (Which, in HANS case is pretty much of their choosing, LOL)
The other one I tried, DID have adjustable tethers. So you can get them perfect. But what's perfect? And whats to stop somebody from loosening them to ineffectiveness?
The Hybrid was really tedious to hook up. Threading the D rings through the helmet loops....uggg. And the arrangement of the shoulder fulcrum piece and all the straps made just getting the harness and everything situated pretty dodgy. I wasn't a fan of all those straps either.
The R3 was most comfortable for me. The thing that goes down you back fit me fine. And it was pretty easy to fit and hook up.
None of them limited my head movement in any significant manner. The halo seat (a Racetech) was the guilty party on that count.
In the end, one thought kept pushing forward. My old unit, the one I've been wearing long before SCCA even discussed recommending something, addressed each and every concern I had as I tested the options I have to choose from. It self adjusts to your geometry. It doesn't hit you like a dog on a leash. IT provides better lateral support. It's easy to hook and unhook. It's off in 1 second.
For me, this mandate is a HUGE and $2000 step BACKwards.
Jake...I'm in complete agreement with you. I'm not advocating a HANS to anybody. I'm stuck with mine for the time being and guess that the more you know about the devil you know...the better. Most of us(me for sure) should have done a better job fighting the club to include more choices...and perhaps that will happen down the road. It's just another expense I'm not looking forward to.Thank you for your valuable imput!!
ShelbyRacer
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Yeah, if you look at this list, you'll see some F1 units spec'd out separately (look at the end of the document). I wonder why the specs aren't published?
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-publi...CC0038E07C/$FILE/L29_Approved_FHR_systems.pdf
If one of you guys would "donate" your Isaac to an F1 team, do you think they could get it approved?
