how low will you go?

Originally posted by dickita15:
while i would still like more input on this thread a new thread would be fun.
dick
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A new track in new England might be great idea BUT the facts would be it take YEARS before it could be operation. The legal hoops are unbelieveable. I think there was a track in new hampshire trying to get started but was running into difficulty with the "Paper Tiger" let alone the Legal hurdles and public objections. And what would the cost of land be??? Big dollars
 
I would be fine with whatever DB is imposed. I'll make my car fit and run it that way at other tracks.

Though I would prefer something in the low-mid 90's, as I suspect that a lot of off-the-shelf mufflers would only lower to low 90's (I have no data to back up this statement, BTW).

Jeremy
 
I think it's much easier to reduce the sound of your car than might be thought. I just did the EMRA event at LRP and forgot they had the 89 db rule. Ran over to NAPA and bought a $50 muffler and $25 worth of clamps and a metal exhaust strap. Popped it on the car so it was paralell to the bumper and voila - I went from 103db to 84db. Took me 30 minutes to put it together. Man, does it look ugly!
 
Not exactly Jack...some cars are very sensitive to exhaust changes, others not. The cars were classed by the classing body with the assumption that all development efforts would be used.

Severe noise restrictions will upset the balance.

That said, who cares!? LOL.... Do the best with what we've got Dick!

Lime Rocks suggested rate increase, plus the yearly subsequent increases for the next three years could have us paying as much as $53,000 per two day rental if I understand the rate increase plan correctly.

I agree we need to be aggresive in our search.

I will offer to build sound fencing, plant pine trees, or whatever is requested of me!~

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Make that at least two of us.

Summer weekends are at a premium in the Amy household, but I think a couple of gatherings of racing folks a year, sprinkled with generous tubs of Corona and pizza, could very well result in a lot of hands to do "stuff". This would be "our" track, and that sweat equity would pay us back in the form of reduced entry fees and a consistent place to play. - GA
 
My father keeps his boat at a club and you can pay dues or work off the dues building piers, painting, work the bar, etc. Most people actually enjoy it.

Not saying we get rid of the NER dues actually thing we should raise it... maybe a good amount if we want to build a track.

I think we should also have work parties to do alot of the work on the track. Well thought out work parties. Not a bunch of people standing around because there is nothing to do.

I'll be in the party to run the 4 mile sound fencing around the entire site.
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I would love to help build our own track. It's like being a kid again building the dirt bike track(jumps and everything) in the back yard, and your MOM going balistic when she comes home from work.
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Worked like a dog on that track for no $ and loved every second of it. Why, because I was building a TRACK!

When I'm 80 and beat up, I'd love to take my grand kids to the track. You know kids back in the day, I helped build this track. "No way" I'll show you pictures when we get home.



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Good points about the sweat equity. I'm sure we have some really talented members who would be willing to donate their time and expertise.

I'm an attorney, but I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty and I'm not too proud to do the most menial work, especially for a new track.

Dick, while this thread is fun because it allows us to dream, can you provide an update as to progress of the New Track Committee? Are we close to finding a site?
 
Originally posted by Scott Koschwitz:

I'm an attorney, but I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty and I'm not too proud to do the most menial work, especially for a new track.

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Scot how about doing the legal work required for the track?
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wdcr has a fairly substantial track fund and we have work parties in the winter at summit point. efforts have paid off in some nice improvements over the years that make scca races happen better and provide better work environment for the workers and safer track for drivers. (eg. registration bldg, start/finish bridge shelter, tire walls, etc.)
 
I was actually working informally with Doug Holmes, former chairman of the New Track Committee, for a while to locate property. I also worked with Rob Goldfarb before his unfortunate death.

My firm is based in Hartford, and we do a fair amount of real estate and land use work. (I'm primarily an environmental attorney.)

At the time, I contacted the members of my firm for leads on parcels of land in New England, and I was working with a member of our lobbying group to contact the owners of the former dog track in Vermont (Tamville?) on behalf of Rob.

Unfortunately, nothing became of that land for us, partly because so many people were interested in it, and the sellers had their choice of buyers.

In Rob, we lost a dedicated, highly enthusiastic supporter of a club track. It seems developments in locating land for a new track haven't been on the same pace since we lost him.

As for donating my legal services, that becomes kind of difficult with my firm. As attorneys, we have an ethical obligation to do pro bono (i.e., free) legal work, but that is intended for the poor, the elderly, and the underrepresented. Donating my time for a club racing track isn't entirely consistent with that.

Another issue arises because my firm does not take kindly to donating work that would otherwise be billable. I have discussed with a partner providing NER a reduced billing rate. That could certainly help reduce costs for NER.

Sometimes, I think it would have been better to be a small-town attorney, like Atticus Finch.

It's been a few years since I sought leads on land from members of my firm. I actually should contact the New Track Committee to see if they still need leads on land.
 
Originally posted by Scott Koschwitz:
I was actually working informally with Doug Holmes, former chairman of the New Track Committee, for a while to locate property. I also worked with Rob Goldfarb before his unfortunate death.

My firm is based in Hartford, and we do a fair amount of real estate and land use work. (I'm primarily an environmental attorney.) Thats a big help as environtmenttal issues are big hurdle.

At the time, I contacted the members of my firm for leads on parcels of land in New England, and I was working with a member of our lobbying group to contact the owners of the former dog track in Vermont (Tamville?) on behalf of Rob.

Unfortunately, nothing became of that land for us, partly because so many people were interested in it, and the sellers had their choice of buyers. I'm sure that this is probably the Normal situation for lots of land in that area.

In Rob, we lost a dedicated, highly enthusiastic supporter of a club track. It seems developments in locating land for a new track haven't been on the same pace since we lost him.

As for donating my legal services, that becomes kind of difficult with my firm. As attorneys, we have an ethical obligation to do pro bono (i.e., free) legal work, but that is intended for the poor, the elderly, and the underrepresented. Donating my time for a club racing track isn't entirely consistent with that.

Another issue arises because my firm does not take kindly to donating work that would otherwise be billable. I have discussed with a partner providing NER a reduced billing rate. That could certainly help reduce costs for NER. I'm certain that would be appreciated by NER

Sometimes, I think it would have been better to be a small-town attorney, like Atticus Finch.

It's been a few years since I sought leads on land from members of my firm. I actually should contact the New Track Committee to see if they still need leads on land.
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It would be interesting to see if anything was somewhat available but would probably need a benefactor such as the ones that did Barber Motorsports park or VIR.
 
Originally posted by Scott Koschwitz:
Dick, while this thread is fun because it allows us to dream, can you provide an update as to progress of the New Track Committee? Are we close to finding a site?
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well we are working on it. all sites are long shots until we get a permit. at this time there are 2 sites that have a chance. these are sites that we have had some discussion with town officials and were not thrown out. one is Ct and one is western Nh. a propective Ma sight came to my attention yesterday and I have made a couple of calls.
The problem with conflicts with employers has made it hard to get free help. I certainly could use help from any friends we have that can answer legal or enviromental questions.
right now I would like to talk to someone who knows NH wetland regulations.
anyone who thinks they can help even to level of answering questons by email or phone you can let me know at [email protected]

dick patullo
 
Thanks Dick for the hard work!!! I don't know anything about wetlands, other than maybe we could just pay a fine later
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LOL.... but I did think you deserved a thank you for the continued efforts.

Raymond
 
Dick, thanks for the update. Connecticut sounds really good to me . . . .

I last contacted members of my firm in August 2001 about available parcels of land. I'll try again -- perhaps we'll come across something this time.

Let me know if I can help in any other way. My e-mail address is [email protected].
 
Just perusing these articles because I really plan on getting out there and running next year and I have a few thoughts:

1) Has anyone thought about the soundwalls they use on the sides of interstates when they run through residential areas...those work amazing and are just concrete walls that basically force the sound to travel up and out instead of across your yard...

2) I was at a festival a few years ago on private land...we stayed up all night drumming out in the woods around a bon-fire...the neighbors complained, The next day we brought in a ton of bales of hay and stacked it amplitheater style against the direction of neighbors...never heard another word...a pretty cheap proposal for a track with neighbors on one side (ala LRP).

There is some 300 acres of land up here near Saratoga Springs for 600k...the land is hilly but that just makes it more fun!

Lastly, just an offhand question...why is it easier to build a dirt track that runs AT NIGHT than to have a road course that generally stops at sundown?...and in an underhanded attempt...how about a very large dirt oval with a real road course in the middle...(just a joke!) (but one that would probably get approved)
 
Tunnulling Yes an under ground track.
40 degree banking and loop de loops.

No Db problem. Besides nobody watches anyway.
Scott May not be yellow next year ITA Crxsi
 
Lots of good thoughts, so I hate to come off like a wet blanket. However, you have to consider the other categories (GT, Prod, SR, etc.). Many of those cars would have problems meeting 89db limits, or that doing so would choke down their performance too much. Getting cars that run 14:1 or 15:1 CR's down to 89db will either cost a lot of money or choke the cars.

Question about LRP, why does SCCA get 103db and everyone else (pro races notwithstanding) get 89db?

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