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Originally posted by Knestis:
I just couldn't remember which Daryl was which and who wasn't one...

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Daryl Brightwell
ITA RX7 #11
NORPAC
ITA RX7 #77
SOPAC
EP this summer
 
Can you lower CG legally by shoving your head up your arse?
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What about lightweight Helmets?
 
Jake:

You owe me one new keyboard. Please put warnings up before posting stuff like that.

New marketing opportunity: raincoats for monitors and keyboards for people reading funny stuff on the internet!

And, back to the topic at hand: What about common sense? I know half of America doesn't have it, but are we, as racers, a little sharper than the rest? Or is the goal here to make the SCCA only run spec classes so that they can write the wording such that it is clear to the average laymen? Or, better yet, will we have to rent the cars from the SCCA in order to race so that every car is exactly equal and that only the SCCA is interpreting the rules?

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
 
***Posted per Geo***

***"17.1.4.D: The following modifications are authorized on all Improved Touring Category cars. Modifications shall not be made unless authorized herein. No permitted component/modification shall additionally perform a prohibited function."

IMHO this section refers to modifications to the cars.

No were in that section does it mention modification to componenets.***


***Posted by Andy***

***GCR17.1.4.D
"The following modifications are authorized on all Improved Touring Category cars. Modifications shall not be made unless authorized herein."

What this says is that you will find in the rules a list of modifications you can legally do. It does not say you can remove. It does not say you can change anything, it says you can MODIFY when told you can. It specifically states that you can't do ANYTHING unless it authorizes you to do so. How much clearer can that be?***

***posted by Geo***

***You mean the one just above your message?

Yeah. So?***

Geo, the "Yeah. So?***" would be that at post 15 within this thread I responded to you with a similar response as Andy did to therooster & you turned on your selective read/respond mode. Why don't you tell Andy he is wrong as you were trying to do to someone earlier on within this thread.

When someone makes a point that I am wrong my response is or will be : You made your point. I might even use the graphic legen
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Continue the Fun
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David
 
If I think that something is iffy...then I will bounce it off some people. Racing is full of gray areas at every level. Racers by their nature will try to push the envelope... It is up to others to decide if what they did is outside the box. I would like to think that very few actually do something that they KNOW is cheating. But if you made a "modification" you thaught was TRULY ok then thats different
 
Andy,

I am sorry, maybe I was not clear. I only disagreed with you on "This statement clearly shows 'modifications' are to the car, not components".
I do not feel that you can modify/change a component that the ITCS does not authorize, because then that component would perform a prohibited function.

Christopher M Aylward
 
Where is that little smiley banging his head on the keyboard when you need him?

This is probably a waste of time because I think you (Andy) are unreachable on this issue.


Originally posted by ITSRX7:
GCR17.1.4.D
"The following modifications are authorized on all Improved Touring Category cars. Modifications shall not be made unless authorized herein."

What this says is that you will find in the rules a list of modifications you can legally do.

agreed

It does not say you can remove.

you are correct, it doesn't tell me that I can remove. But it doesn't have to. I am allowed to remove components when doing so doesn't provide a competitive advantage. Because, one last time, per the GCR modifying and removing are not the same.

I am not arguing what can and can not be removed without giving me a competitive advantage. Only that just because it doesn't say I can doesn't mean I can't. How about IIDSYCModifyYC

It does not say you can change anything, it says you can MODIFY when told you can.

It specifically states that you can't do ANYTHING unless it authorizes you to do so. How much clearer can that be?

If that's is what the rule said it would be crystal clear. However that is not what the rule says. I have answered this question in multiple posts. IT WOULD BE MUCH CLEARER AND EXACTLY HOW YOU INTERPRET IT IF the definition of modify included the word remove, and the words "for the purpose of obtaining any competitve advantage" were removed from the last sentence.

Or even better, take a look at the FCS section D.1 "...any allowable modifications,changes or additions are stated herein. There are no exceptions If in doubt, don't.

How do you argue with that?
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on edit--trying to get all the bold unbold things correct.

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Originally posted by Jake:
Can you lower CG legally by shoving your head up your arse?
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Jake, the rules nerds would say you can't, because it doesn't say you can. But you've discovered my secret. It's not that widget I removed that has led to my success on the track, it is my driving position.
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Make sure you don't get it too far up there as your CG will be too high. It is a delicate balance.
 
Originally posted by 7'sRracing:


I bought Hiem joints for my EP car thinking after reading the PCS they were legal on my tie rod ends, so did Grayson Upchurch. P.S. anyone want to buy some rod ends?.

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Um...a little history here. Grayson had those babies in his car for long enough to be warned of their illegality before the actual protest. He used them to improve bump steer characteristics. Which might be a competitive advantage. Who knows.


Just a comment...this thread has to be an all time high...or low. In this single thread we've 'discussed' wording that to some of us is very obvious but to others appears to be permission to toss whatever components they like as long as the car is abover min. weight. We've hashed out the PPI. Discussed the intent of IT. Discussed the comp board disapprovingly. Allowed as how while we might not cheat ourselves, others do, and it's ok, they can still be our pals. We even questioned whether any of us is being stalked on the net, then learned how to actually do it for $20. Somehow we even twisted moving weight around a car to NOT be a competitieve advantage. The opinion that old cars shoud be "weaned" out of a competitive position was floated. And more...........

This single thread has hit nearly every open wound IT has ...except wheel diameters!

Must be the dead of winter....

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Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
ITA 57 RX-7
New England Region
[email protected]
 
Quick,

We will have to agree to disagree. To me, you aren't making sense and to you, I am not making sense.

Maybe when that happens, you have to look to the OBVIOUS intent fo the rules:

IIDSYC-YC.

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region #188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com
 
Originally posted by lateapex911:
This single thread has hit nearly every open wound IT has ...except wheel diameters!
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Well, you can remove the wheels if you like.

I don't think anybody will protest that.
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
 
Yep, dead of winter. Funny thing is, though, instead of going over the GCR with a microscope, I'm working to improve the driver and the car: new engine, new trans, new differential, 100# out of the car, 20# out of me, plenty of seat time at the local indoor kart track, etc.

If it weren't for work, I wouldn't have time to read this board!

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
 
"If it weren't for work, I wouldn't have time to read this board!"

Same here, heres a new one for you, last year I saw a ITA car with a rear sway bar adjuster mounted in the E-brake pocket next to his seat, and no, I didnt bother pointing out that it wasnt legal, figured he knew it when he put it there. protest him?, no, that weekend he produced the part that allowed me to continue racing after my part separated itself from the car and is now part of the track landscape. how do you walk up and protest people that are so dam nice and are having such a good time racing for a three dollar trophy? I cant do it...
 
I am with you. 1st step is never a protest anyway. The 1st step is a casual comment on the piece, then a comment/question about its legality.

After you mention the issue, I would argue that if it stays, that person isn't as 'nice' as you thought. Tough situation either way but legality has to be the end goal.

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
06 ITS RX-7
FlatOut Motorsports
New England Region #188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com
 
Well, the competitive side of me won't let that slide. I'd make the comment to him ("Hey! That ain't legal!" along with the quote fromt the GCR) and if it stayed, it would be protested.

Well, off to catch a plane...

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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
 
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