ITB MR2 – straw poll time….

Seems like nothing is more likely to move this idea along than independent requests from a bunch of different people, all asking for the same thing...

"Please re-examine specifications of the 19XX-19XX Toyota MR2 (reference ITCS page), to determine the degree to which it fits current parameters defined for ITB. If in fact it does fit, please consider moving this car from ITA to ITB."

Or words to that effect. Don't need to make a case, do any research, or present any data.

K
 
Someone is going to bee-otch about getting moved and having to buy new wheels but at that weight, it's the only thing that makes any sense. Can we be done now?

:)

K
 
You're right K, people will be unhappy no matter where the car is. The key is where should the car actually should be in IT - A or B when evaluating it. I fail to see how it isn't an ITB car.
 
I'm joining K.

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What if....the car can more than make ITA weight??? Then what?
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It borders on blasphemy but the Process probably fails to COMPLETELY address cars that are WAY out on the ends of the distribution, in whatever factor is being examined, once it translates into the real world.

That, and based on the limited input here, there's evidence of a dominant PERCEPTION that the car would be better served in ITB. And perceptions matter.

I'm just feeling all warm and fuzzy since it's Friday, I guess...

K
 
Coming from you kirk, that's a very interesting point, and one that I am happy to read. i think theres more between the lines of that statement, and that's good to see as well.............

You all have to remember that somebody needs to play devils advocate once in awhile, right?
 
I suppose you could ask the same question of the New Beetle and its ITB weight. [/b]
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But the new Bettle has a 'twin' that is already in ITB. It was an experiment...guess what? Nobody like to race a heavy car.
 
But the new Bettle has a 'twin' that is already in ITB. It was an experiment...guess what? Nobody like to race a heavy car.
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How the hell is that related to the question at hand? And you needed something like that to tell you that people don't want to race heavy cars? The ITCS is full of plenty of other examples.
 
As someone who actually looked into this option, the primary argument against an ITC NB is that donor cars aren't cheap enough yet. That and frankly, building an expensive, new car for ITC is silly since competition is on a downward slide and completely competitive C cars can be had for a song.

K
 
Clean out your mailbox there, Jake. I'm trying to send you a note to say "yes."

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Mailox skimmed....but you can always use my email in my sig, or lateapex911 at gmail works too!
 
As someone who actually looked into this option, the primary argument against an ITC NB is that donor cars aren't cheap enough yet. That and frankly, building an expensive, new car for ITC is silly since competition is on a downward slide and completely competitive C cars can be had for a song.

K
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Interesting comment Kirk. I wonder how the cost of a NB donor compares to the cost of ITS and ITR donors. Are people willing to spend more for a donor because it's a faster class, or because it's a 'healthier' class?
 
There are New Beetles out there w/manual trans under $5k. I could see folks building them for ITB, but not at all for ITC around here. There would be no one to race with.

EDIT I just found one for sale for $4400 that is in 'good condition' in Cincinnati.
 
Bill, I would think it is both. I think C is perceived to be an entry level, "slow" (not that it is) class, where you can (as Kirk notes) buy an ARRC win capable car for say $4,000 to $5,000. If someone (new especially) puts $20,000 in a build, I think they at least want to believe the are going faster in an A, S or R car.

But the bottom line for most people I think is that C just doesn't seem all that competitive right now. Most fields at the SEDiv tracks I race at (CMP, Roebling and VIR primarily), you rarely see more than an handful of them. So, if so, why build any car for C, much less an expensive one (or perceived to be expensive)?
 
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Yes. :D

Seriously - it depends on their priorities but the idea of buying that 944 S2 from Ron makes me giggle more than buying a high-miles NB for about the same money. Yeah, the ITR car would cost something more than the ITC car to build to the same level but since many of the pieces (rollcage, paint, etc.) cost the same regardless, I would feel like I were getting more value with the Porsche.

It would sure as hell be more attractive to enduro co-drivers than would the Beetle, dontcha think?

K
 
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