Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
THAT needs to be fixed. I think HALF of the ITAC agrees with that and I have confidence that they are working on it.
Fixed that for ya. That is where the wheels start to spin...
THAT needs to be fixed. I think HALF of the ITAC agrees with that and I have confidence that they are working on it.
Don't depress me Andy.
Its just math.
Plain old math.
But I will note this (again)...
If the process says that car A is 80lbs too light and car B is 120lbs too heavy... Thats a 200lb disparity.
THAT needs to be fixed. I think most of the ITAC agrees with that and I have confidence that they are working on it.
You don't know if they are "heavy enough" because an ITR Mustang, Camaro, or Firebird has yet to hit the track.
I feel a chill here in hell.
Oh, it's being discussed, of that there's no question!
Your example is a tad off. If car B comes in for a process check, and it's 120 heavy, it gets adjusted. If it's 99 heavy, it gets left alone.
So, there's the potential of a 198 pound delta, of course, in reality, it's less.
(You know, if some of you feel strongly that cars coming up for process reviews get adjusted when they are within 100 pounds of the process number, feel free to write the ITAC with your opinion. )
But, my take is that we aim for the bullseye, and we live with that number. I can see rounding to the nearest 5 but that's it. Our resolution level needs to be the same as techs. We don't post "ranges".
WHOA. Kirk you do realize you are close to suggesting on track performance being used to as a check on the classification process.
I feel a chill here in hell.
"If torque is all that matters, than why are we so worried about hp?
-why do we measure an engine's performance (it's ability to accelerate the vehicle) in horsepower??"
Because it matters a lot! A car that develops the same torque as another, but does it at twice the rpm, makes twice the horsepower-BUT-both cars accellerate their fastest as they pass thru their respective torque peaks.
Nah, with this economy, they've turned down the thermostat to save fuel
You don't know if they are "heavy enough" because an ITR Mustang, Camaro, or Firebird has yet to hit the track. We're not talking about adding 100# to their stock weight - we're talking about the process of listing them in ITR to include an "adder" of that amount in an attempt to take torque into consideration. Remember that the basics of the process use the stock quoted HP number as a starting point.
Dick is right on that we are constrained to the stock quoted numbers - warts and all - as the inputs to our process. We can NOT do any calculus to derive areas under curves because we don't HAVE curves to work with.
Oh, it's being discussed, of that there's no question!
Your example is a tad off. If car B comes in for a process check, and it's 120 heavy, it gets adjusted. If it's 99 heavy, it gets left alone.
Wait a minute. I'm admittedly doing this from memory, but wasn't the Porsche 924 recently (mid-2008) adjusted from 2600 to 2525 lbs?
wait A Minute. I'm Admittedly Doing This From Memory, But Wasn't The Porsche 924 Recently (mid-2008) Adjusted From 2600 To 2525 Lbs?
Get it yet? If not, I give up
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