Appropriate weights for a RWD ITS car with no other adders at the following WHP:
170: 2675
180: 2830
190: 2990
200: 3146
210: 3305
220: 3460
230: 3620
So if you brought the multiplier from 12.9 to 12.25 you would get this:
170: 2675 --------> 2540
180: 2830 --------> 2670
190: 2990 --------> 2840
200: 3146 --------> 2990
210: 3305 --------> 3135*
220: 3460 --------> 3285*
230: 3620 --------> 3435*
* I submit there should be nothing in ITS making 210whp+
* I submit there should be nothing in ITS making 210whp+
In which case, the discussion of the E36 325 in ITS is a moot point. Kill the SIR-equipped E36 from ITS.Correct, those cars should go into ITR.
That sure looks a lot more like "reality" above.
In which case, the discussion of the E36 325 in ITS is a moot point. Kill the SIR-equipped E36 from ITS.
GA
On edit: if we'd had ITR back then, that would have never happened in the first place. This is one of the car's that begat ITR's genesis...make it go away.
OK, when the SIR was added, the e36 was a gross overedog. Since then, several cars have been developed to equal or exceed the original e36 so must we revisit the whole group (ITS) to once again establish parity? The SIR has been around 5-6ish years and it has taken the group that long to catch up? And that means those who want to compete with the car must rely on 5-6ish year old rules to limit their performance?
And what Jake said is how I remember the discussion going forth. Most just gave up!! Other things I heard were that the SIR either killed the power below competitive levels, or people blew motors....and that is not a cheap motor to rebuild!!
Another point, the e46 323. Same motor, but with double vanos, 3000#, same brakes, better aeor....yes the car to build at this point.
OK, when the SIR was added, the e36 was a gross overedog. Since then, several cars have been developed to equal or exceed the original e36 so must we revisit the whole group (ITS) to once again establish parity? The SIR has been around 5-6ish years and it has taken the group that long to catch up? And that means those who want to compete with the car must rely on 5-6ish year old rules to limit their performance?
And what Jake said is how I remember the discussion going forth. Most just gave up!! Other things I heard were that the SIR either killed the power below competitive levels, or people blew motors....and that is not a cheap motor to rebuild!!
Another point, the e46 323. Same motor, but with double vanos, 3000#, same brakes, better aeor....yes the car to build at this point.
Send out a "what do you think?" on pulling the classification of the E36 with the restrictor in ITS. See if anyone is actually still running it.What is it exactly that you are asking for?
Chuck made me laugh.Either revisit the great revision on the e36 or classify it the same as the e46 323, at 3000#
Either revisit the great revision on the e36 or classify it the same as the e46 323, at 3000#
Either revisit the great revision on the e36 or classify it the same as the e46 323, at 3000#
So if you brought the multiplier from 12.9 to 12.25 you would get this:
170: 2675 --------> 2540
180: 2830 --------> 2670
190: 2990 --------> 2840
200: 3146 --------> 2990
210: 3305 --------> 3135*
220: 3460 --------> 3285*
230: 3620 --------> 3435*
* I submit there should be nothing in ITS making 210whp+
Correct, those cars should go into ITR.
That sure looks a lot more like "reality" above.
In which case, the discussion of the E36 325 in ITS is a moot point. Kill the SIR-equipped E36 from ITS.
GA
On edit: if we'd had ITR back then, that would have never happened in the first place. This is one of the car's that begat ITR's genesis...make it go away.
Agree 100%. SIR has no place in IT.
In just this two-page thread, I've seen 215, 220+ and 230 quoted as the "known" horsepower level for an E36.
The discussions I've had with others who used to, but no longer, run an E36 325 said 215 was the top dog number, and those engines were only capable of that for a short period of time.
Is there legit, non-marketing-based dyno data floating around that can put THIS portion of the discussion to rest?