Lap Timers

>> OK so since this has become a advertisement for DL1

no, no, it's just that the Race-Technology DL-1 beat the others to market and Greg and I bought one mainly due to the importer advertising here. If I were to do it all over I might have bought the Racepak 'G2X'.

>> How do you get the data from this unit?

CF card or RS-232 cable

Is use the following in my laptop, works great:

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Huh?? The AIM unit works ALL the time...as long as YOU set it up and have batteries. Were you referring to the AMB system? Which is On or OFF at the whim of the track?
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AIM?? i didn't say AIM, i said AMB. :D
 
>> OK so since this has become a advertisement for DL1

no, no, it's just that the Race-Technology DL-1 beat the others to market and Greg and I bought one mainly due to the importer advertising here. If I were to do it all over I might have bought the Racepak 'G2X'.

>> How do you get the data from this unit?

CF card or RS-232 cable

Is use the following in my laptop, works great:

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Ah, So this under 1K deal requires a 1K laptop to have any real value at the racetrack. In that respect it is no different than most other DA systems out there. I own 3 different Pi systems but I like the look of this unit. I guess the real deal is that a 250 dollar timer could be a benefit to those that can't swing a DA system and a Laptop in their first couple years of driving. The aim time can give you a lap by lap break down on screen so there is some value even for me.
 
Ah, So this under 1K deal requires a 1K laptop to have any real value at the racetrack.[/b]

Uuuuhh, were you expecting the data to be uploaded to your brain via satellite transmissions...? How were expecting those transmissions to get through your tinfoil hat...? ;)

Besides, even if you don't have a laptop (basic laptops are under $500 now, and CF-to-PCMCIA adapters are $15) you can choose to initially take the card home and review the data there (CF-to-PCI adapters are $20). It's obvious you own a computer...

...a 250 dollar timer could be a benefit to those that can't swing a DA system...[/b]

I disagree. Personally, I've found lap timers to be more a distraction than an assistance. The time I'm spending trying to read, process, and use that information (all while on the racetrack at speed!) is time I can use for other things, like driving. Plus, once that lap is gone, so is the data. not too many people short of the aptitude of Ayrton Senna can possibly recall after the session every lap detail of what caused you to go slower/faster...

Most people use those $250 timers to see what they did, not for any kind of driving analysis. Again, it takes a special personality to be able to adjust driving real-time on the current lap, based on lap time and what they think happened in the previous lap, with nothing more than frangbile memory in a high-stress situation to recall exactly what that was.

Different strokes/priorities/whatever you want to call it, Joe. But I'm pretty well convinced, after having used my data aquisition system this year to inarguably incredible success, that NOT having DA is a significant DISadvantage these days.

I think it's worth skipping a set of tires, the lap timer, extra gauges (another pet peeve of mine), or even a whole event in order to buy...
 
>> not too many people short of the aptitude of Ayrton Senna can possibly recall after the session every lap detail of what caused you to go slower/faster...

You are showing your age Greg :P
Read this.
http://www.tracc5.com/News%20stories%202006/9-27-2006a.htm

Most 14 year old kids who spend ALL day long driving could do this IF they have the basic "driver's gene". Man I hate reading stuff like this. Makes me wish I had a shifter cart at age 10.

My favorite quote:
The back-yard training sessions nonetheless continued. “In go-karts,” says Jeff, “there’s no aero, no downforce. It’s all about that contact patch and how well the driver feels it. When Colin came in, I’d say, ‘What was each tire doing? Describe it to me exactly.’ Man, he got good at that.”

“There was one drill,” Colin remembers, “where I’d go out for 15 laps and work the right-front tire real hard but save the left front. Or they’d put on one crappy tire, and it was my job to figure out which it was.”

>> with nothing more than frangbile memory in a high-stress situation to recall exactly what that was.

This is what large amounts track time will correct. I've been lucky enough to have a race track (BeaveRun) built 15 minutes from my house. Its North Course is a small simple track. I have 100's of laps on it by now. I cant do what Colin can do, but I'm at the point where I can not think about my driving much if I'm under "95%" and can instead really focus on the car's dynamics (slip angle vs. steering input, yaw, pitch and dive under braking etc etc) If I had one of those predictive lap timing displays (want an RT Dash 2!) I think I could definitely utilize "on the fly" it without losing the ability to drive fast laps.

>> that NOT having DA is a significant DISadvantage these days.

Yup, agreed. But you have to be the type pf person that can use it. It wont tell you to brake later or turn in sooner, you have to derive that from the data. So if graphs and numbers and charts are not how you can internalize data then you are not going to get much out of it.

We're in the digital age, analog guys to the back of the line please :P

>> requires a 1K laptop to have any real value

Sure, How else do you reprogram your ECU at the track ?? B)

I remember reading and article in RaceTech or someplace about Andy Priaulx. They we talking about data. And the fact that his team does not put a lot of emphasis on it. Instead they are lucky enough to have Andy's brain for use as a data recorder. He can, for an entire session recall what the car is doing on corner entry, mid corner and exit, and recount it for the engineers at the end of the session. He can tell you this for every corner, and for early, mid and late session. For the rest of us, there are data recorders :D
http://www.andypriaulx.com
 
Sure, How else do you reprogram your ECU at the track ?? B)
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Good point.

But I think the basic question that started this topic was.
I am looking into getting an in car timer such as a Hot Lap and had a few questions.

I was talking to someone and they said dont waste your time they dont work. My question is what are your guys experiences with them? Personally to me they seem like they should work if set up properly.

My main concern is when aligned correctly do they take an accurate time measurement, or would I be better off bringing my grandma and a stop watch?
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There is a benefit to using a properly setup timer over Grandma and a stop watch. While I enjoy having Grandma at the track she is too busy programming a new fuel map and adjusting my shocks by telemetry. :D
 
I just saw you on the TV, Joe...the T@ race on my TIVO...will the race set up pay off and get the Nissans to the front??? Time will tell, but Will Turners guy says you're wrong...;)
 
Ha, well I was wrong, You know the sucky thing about a race is they never unfold the way you think. Turner did a great job but the subbies had em covered.
 
(basic laptops are under $500 now, and CF-to-PCMCIA adapters are $15) you can choose to initially take the card home and review the data there (CF-to-PCI adapters are $20). data aquisition system
Greg, Suggestions for a laptop. Processor, memory. and whatever else is good :rolleyes: I just got a "Special Discount card" from Dell that looks like they are going to send me a laptop and money to boot(No pun intended) t weaver :eclipsee_steering:
 
Tom, just about anything current is more than adequate for data aquisition. Set a budget, start with the highest processor then drop it down a slot (older processors are more than adequate but usually cost quite a bit less than the "latest and greatest"), then add 1GB RAM (or more if you can afford it - try to minimize the number of DIMMs so you can add more later if necessary). From there add as big a hard drive as you'd like (30-40GB minimum), then physical characteristics (size, weight, etc.), and a R/W CD (so you can offload files to storage). You won't need killer graphics cards or sound. Make sure to get a wireless card and modem for traveling.

I just priced out a Dell Inspiron for Matt at something like $650, and it's plenty of computer...

I'm lucky in that I'm "in the business"; I am a systems admin for Hartford Hospital. So, I get toys. My favorite at-track computer this year was the Dell X1, a very small and lightweight "knapsackable" computer (and absolutely PERFECT for taking notes in class at university). Unfortunately, Dell dropped the X1 and I had to give mine back to the medical staff (I'm looking for a good used one to buy for myself). It was replaced by the Dell D420, another nice box.

However, if this is to be your only computer, you may find it too small for everyday use; thus, I'd suggest the Lattitude 6xx series or the Inspirons, and if you really want some desktop-quality power that is especially adequate for all-around use, the Lattitude 8xx series is very good...HTH - GA
 
Lat D620 is a great machine, its what we just used to replace our laptops at work. Got all the bells and wistles and small. If you dont get all the docking stuff and monitors you can get one packed with goodies for about 1200. USB CF reader is 0-15 bucks if you watch rebates and actually fill out the rebate.

If you hunt around nowdays you can find lightweight multimedia laptops for around the same price. They might be a little heavier, but they usually have great resolution and build in media card readers. Again another option for a multiuse computer.
 
I like the sturdier business models instead of the consumer models with all the fancy plastic crap on them.
Compaq/HP Evo and IBM Thinkpad have always worked well for me. Don't forget EBay. You can get a ~1 GHz laptop for dirt cheap now. Will do DAq just fine.
 
Well thats why we got the Lat D620. Metal casing around the insides, really built for the engineer on the road or business guy that has to have a bigger monitor then the m600 or m700 ultraportable models.

But then thats my luck, I have a work laptop and feedom to install software on it. So if I did get a DL1 or other DA all I would need is a reader which for the DL I have due to my cameras taking CF already.
 
I sure do like my computer that leaves me totally out of the loop in terms of data aquisition software, ECU management software, and compatibility with 99.5% of the people around me! But, it has a pretty logo on the cover and I can edit video and newsletters!! :026:[/b]

Fixed that for you...

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<strike>Fixed</strike> Played my overbearing moderator card <strike>that</strike> for you...

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hee hee...

(I know, you don't have to be a moderator to quote and dork around, it just sounded better...;) )
 
Well lets see if anyone has used The Racer Eye system looks like it would do what we want to do. Since we don't need a dash display unit this looks workable and I can still use the laptop to down load and store info. Here is web site http://racereye.com/index.html thanks T W :eclipsee_steering:
 
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