Looking for 020 final drives

And given there is only one gear ratio spec line for your gearstack if you ever get protested you will loose.
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Nope. The spec line is wrong, which is understandable given the number of cars listed. If it is delivered as original equipment on the car listed on the spec line it is legal. It may require an appeal, but it would ultimately be ruled legal. It is supported by the factory shop manual, the dealer parts listing and every 1.8 liter A2 sold from 1989 (or maybe earlier) on.

It is actually quite likely that more cars were delivered with the taler 2nd gear than the one listed. There is no mention of the spec line in the Transmission rule, only stock gears.

4. Transmission/Final Drive
a. Any final drive ratio is permitted provided it fits the stock differential/transaxle housing without modification to the housing.
b. Any limited-slip or locked differential is permitted.
c. No alteration to the stock transmission gear ratios for the make, model, type and engine size of automobile is allowed.
d. Hardware items (nuts, bolts, etc.) may be replaced by similar items performing the same fastening function(s).
e. Shift lever may be bent above tunnel or floor.
f. Traction control, if available, must be disabled by disconnecting or removing all the wheel speed sensors.
 
Ahhh good to know. But my 2nd gear has never been an issue for me to need a taller one. I guess as long as you have a stack that is spec line for a specific trans code your set. The rules dont seem to let you mix and match in my interpetation.
 
Nope. The spec line is wrong, which is understandable given the number of cars listed. If it is delivered as original equipment on the car listed on the spec line it is legal. ...[/b]
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Sorry, Chris - and I border on Rules NERD behavior here - but that's not entirely how it works. We race to the published rules, including the details in spec line in the ITCS. There's no appealing something based on the fact that it's been omitted from the ITCS. That's why we HAVE the ITCS, so every protest doesn't require digging out VW documentation to find out what's allowed.

If we've got paperwork that indicates other gear ratios meet the requirements that you quoted, we need to submit them under "Errors and Omissions," to get them added to your spec line. Until that time, we can run ONLY the ratios in the book if we want to have a defensible position in a protest.

K
 
See thats what I thought. But true if the ACH or similar came in an 8v golf with the other gearstack then it should be submitted.
 
Kirk's right, you need to get the additional ratios added to the spec line. You may be able to win an appeal if you can prove that it's a legal gearset, but expect a change to the spec line to be forthcomming after that.

And from someone who went through the issue of getting ratios corrected, be prepared to get absolute documentation. IIRC, it took 4-5 months to get the close-ratio gearset removed from the 1.7 ITC Sciroccos. They still list 1984 1.7 cars even though there never were any, but that's another story. B)
 
It's under one of the frequency channels, look again.
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Ah, yes, found it: Frequency 1. If, however, you input that to "RPM" input instead, you can actually chart which gear the car is in using the .car data. Plus, when you go to integrated video you can actually display the gear selected on the "dashboard"...
 
Ah, yes, found it: Frequency 1. If, however, you input that to "RPM" input instead, you can actually chart which gear the car is in using the .car data. Plus, when you go to integrated video you can actually display the gear selected on the "dashboard"...
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Weenie alert! Weenie alert!!! :lol: :biggrinsanta:
 
Man you kiddies make me wish I had money for DA.

Ah, yes, found it: Frequency 1. If, however, you input that to "RPM" input instead, you can actually chart which gear the car is in using the .car data. Plus, when you go to integrated video you can actually display the gear selected on the "dashboard"...
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>>when you go to integrated video you can actually display the gear selected on the "dashboard"...


So when are we going to see one of your data infused cinematic masterpieces? :114:
 
Ah, yes, found it: Frequency 1. If, however, you input that to "RPM" input instead, you can actually chart which gear the car is in using the .car data. Plus, when you go to integrated video you can actually display the gear selected on the "dashboard"...
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IT used to be in RPM but it wasn't showing up for some reason, I double checked for signal at the DL-1 and still it wouldn't pop up under the RPM input in the software. Kirk is supposed to be updating the firmware on the logger so maybe that will help.
 
"camshaft position sensor" hall signal. Tapping into the wire at the ecu end of the harness with solder and heat shrink, and poking it through the firewall, the prob was in the DL because it works on the Freq channel and I saw a good signal on the end of that lead, so. . .
I think something is up with the logger, maybe a fresh OS will help0 it out.
 
So when are we going to see one of your data infused cinematic masterpieces? :114:
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Here's some that Jeremy Lucas did from the July Watkins Glen weekend. I'll find some time to mess with it after school's done for the semester...

http://fasttechlimited.com/videos.htm

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Is that enough voltage? FOr the NX I tapped into the line that goes into the tach on the factory dash. The wire that feeds RPM sig into the ECU did not work..
 
Maybe that's it, I can try that, but I swear it was working at one point, configured in that way. We'll try that for next time. Where's the Doc when you need him? Kirk, wasn't it working before?
 
Sorry, Chris - and I border on Rules NERD behavior here - but that's not entirely how it works. We race to the published rules, including the details in spec line in the ITCS. There's no appealing something based on the fact that it's been omitted from the ITCS. That's why we HAVE the ITCS, so every protest doesn't require digging out VW documentation to find out what's allowed.

If we've got paperwork that indicates other gear ratios meet the requirements that you quoted, we need to submit them under "Errors and Omissions," to get them added to your spec line. Until that time, we can run ONLY the ratios in the book if we want to have a defensible position in a protest.

K
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Sorry but a mistake in the spec line does not trump a written rule in the ITCS. If it says you can, you can, regardless of any missing information elsewhere in the good book. It doesn't just say you can, it says you have to run a stock gear set, and that is what it would be. So, I submit that the rule is not omitted from the ITCS and is quite clear, but the 'cheat sheet' at the end of the book has an omission.

Agreed that it may have to go to appeal to be resolved if a protest occured, but the better solution is correction via errors and omissions. From what I can tell my 86 GTI came with the listed 2nd, but I would bet that plenty of cars are out there with the 1.94 and don't know it.

I will pull together some documentation and send it off.

Looking at the spec line more closely they also have errors in the brakes. Rear disk is 227mm not 244mm, rear drum may also be 180mm drum as this was delivered until the late 80s. I expect that this is not uncommon and similar items are in error throughout the list. That does not change the rules.
 
The RPM input WAS working last year, with that same signal. I thought the wire had just gotten tweaked, started tracing it and we checked that there was a pulse there with Cameron's "smart" test light. As a second test, i went to the freq input. It worked so I quit changing it, although I'm still a little worried about my DL.

Chris - I'm not telling anyone how things SHOULD be, just how they are. The fact that the ITCS is thick with mistakes is actually an indicator of the general health of the protest/teardown/enforcement situation in our category. THAT'S how little we collectively care, that an error in the brake diameter will be there for years...

Thanks for doing you part to help fix that!

K
 
I have a barely used 4.23 eco diesel ring and pinion laying around. Could use the money to build a new short block after my *** built engine holed itself in 4 places.

Thor
 
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