New Belt Rule

Ok Kirk, that makes more sense. Now, is there anything in the new belt rule that will require people to mount the belts that way?

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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608
 
Kirk,

I have the same Willans Harness and it is quite the quality piece. The Willans instructions call for the crotch belt call for that belt to go through the hole in the seat and then to ends fixed at or near the lap belt attachment points. No sitting on these crotch belts per their instructions.

If anyone wants to take a look I can send a pdf of the instructions.

Dave Z
 
Marty, stop by and look at my car some time to see how everything hooks up. My belts are a camlock design. The lap belt looks the same as the 5pt. As Kirk mentioned, you don't bring the crotch strap through the seat center hole anymore. It gets brought through the side holes with the lap belt. If you are at MO this weekend stop by. There should be PLENTY of time to bench race with us being in the last session.
 
I confess that I haven't seen Willans' (or anyone else's) instructions recently, Dave. I'm operating on information that was provided by the manufactuer when I was working for the Willans importer back in the 1980s.

K
 
FYI,

Leaf manufactures all these types of belts. The one thing that I like (now that SCCA requires new belts every two years) is that you can send them back to the factory and they will re-web and re-date them for a fraction of the cost of new.

http://www.leafracewear.com/

the new 2004 Targa Newfoundland Rally belt rules now require cam-lock only (5 years). Ticks me off that I can't use the current 6 normal belts on my shelf and now I have to go out and buy 2 more sets. Doesn't make sence to me.


[This message has been edited by racer-025 (edited July 27, 2004).]
 
Dave Z. sent me a copy of the Willans installation instructions and they describe something different than what I have been doing for almost 20 years - on what I believe was their recommendation.

The net of this is that NOBODY out there should follow my recommendations and you should all assume that I am wrong. Follow the manufacturer's instructions regardless of any other advice.

I'm going to do my own thing.
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K
 
BLDN10, adding a V or T may actually be legal, depending on the harness. On Willan's web site, they have the straps available. Here is their statement:

The V type crutch strap is an anti-submarining strap. It can be plugged into the 5th(lower) slot of the release mechanism. If you already have a 4 strap harness with FIA Approval you can plug in a V type crutch strap and this will make the harness an FIA Approved 6 Strap harness.

So, according to Willans, we should be able to replace just the sub strap.

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Dave Youngren
NER ITA RX7 #61
 
I guess mine is a V. I'm suspect that is true of Willans because each strap is FIA certified. Of course, you pay a premium for that. While the 5-pt. G-Force is FIA certified, the V sub belt is not. However, I heard somewhere (probably here) that you only need 1 FIA label so I hope to get by w/ the sub belt. Whether you can add a certified Willans sub belt to a G-Force camlock, I don't know. I switched to the V sub belt after thinking about what would happen in a frontal crash. Even if the single sub belt saves your ass, it would probably do a number on your privates.
 
I DO feel comfortable suggesting that it might not be a good idea to mix and match harness buckle hardware among manufacturers. There is no such thing as a standard and the tolerences are at least a little tight. It would suck to have something not latch properly or stick when you are trying to get out...

K
 
I just recieved my Pyrotect 7 point harness with the cam lock hardware. Very nice unit, and they still re-web these for $50. If I have to replace them every 2 years, re-webbing sounds like a good thing.
 
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