New ITB & ITS track records at Watkins Glen!

Slightly off topic, where can I find the latest WGI long course track records? The link from glen scca does not work and the pdf posted on nessca says it is up to date, i.e. 9/24/2011. If true, I think Bob Beede also broke the ITA record at 2.17.1 down from Greg's ~2:17.9. This is a partial loaded question since I think there's some scuddlebutt regarding the ITA record. Best, Mickey
 
mossaidis said:
...I think Bob Beede also broke the ITA record at 2.17.1 down from Greg's ~2:17.9.
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Negative. That lap record, set in 2006 - which I thought would last for a while - only lasted until the first serious Miata assault (Marc Cefalo in '08? Got into the low 17s?) and then an allegedly-noncompliant Honda CRX during the end-of-year enduro (got into the high-16s). Marc in his Miata also broke my WGI short-course record that same weekend.

As far as I know, the only record I still hold is the NHMS chicane/chicane layout, which will never be used again (it was only used once subsequent to my 2006 record). The only other lap record up here I'm aware of that's not held by a Miata - please do correct me if incorrect - is Pocono, which is still held by Blaney in the CRX Si, set many years ago prior to the weights being raised in The Great Realignment. - GA
 
Greg Amy said:
Negative. That lap record, set in 2006 - which I thought would last for a while - only lasted until the first serious Miata assault (Marc Cefalo in '08? Got into the low 17s?) and then an allegedly-noncompliant Honda CRX during the end-of-year enduro (got into the high-16s). Marc in his Miata also broke my WGI short-course record that same weekend.

As far as I know, the only record I still hold is the NHMS chicane/chicane layout, which will never be used again (it was only used once subsequent to my 2006 record). The only other lap record up here I'm aware of that's not held by a Miata - please do correct me if incorrect - is Pocono, which is still held by Blaney in the CRX Si, set many years ago prior to the weights being raised in The Great Realignment. - GA
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I think what Greg is talking about at WGI is a 2:17 flatish from a VW at that enduro but I could be wrong. I HATE enduro records.

The track was crazy fast this past weekend.

I think NJMPL is a Teg and Thunder is probably Marc? So:

NHMS Long: Miata
NHMS Short: NX2000
LRP: Miata
Glen: VW
Pocono: CRX
NJMPL: Teg
NJMPT: Miata
 
Current lap records

NJMP Lightning

ITR Dave Maynard BMW 325i -- 1:15.021 -- 91.17 -- 10/19/08
ITS Matt Rooke Mazda RX7 -- 1:15.066 -- 91.12 -- 10/19/08
ITA Geoff Branscombe Acura Integra -- 1:17.073 -- 88.75 -- 10/19/08
ITB Beran Peter Volkswagen Golf -- 1:18.344 -- 87.31 -- 10/19/08
ITC Roger Troxel Honda Civic -- 1:22.052 -- 83.36 -- 7/19/09

NJMP Thunderbolt

ITR Bill Ball BMW M3 -- 1:32.726 -- 87.35 -- 9/13/09
ITS Jeff Henderson BMW 323i -- 1:33.126 -- 86.98 -- 6/05/11
ITA James Price Mazda Miata -- 1:34.443 -- 85.77 -- 8/21/10
ITB Michael Tinis Volkswagen Golf -- 1:37.851 -- 82.78 -- 6/05/11
ITC Valerie Heun Honda Civic -- 1:43.938 -- 77.93 -- 8/21/10

 
Southeast does not count lap records in an enduro because the car could be light first stint and loaded with fuel late. If there is a pit stop allowed, no record is set.
 
seckerich said:
Southeast does not count lap records in an enduro because the car could be light first stint and loaded with fuel late. If there is a pit stop allowed, no record is set.
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That is my understanding as well. i would imagine tracks and regions would not honor enduro records though I am happy for the drivers that "broke" them.
 
From what I remember, the supps for that enduro at WGI actually said that track lap records would not be honored. However, someone messed up, it was not caught nor protested.

Doesn't matter, a Miata will break that lap record again soon anyway...

GA, waiting for Andy's head to asplode.
 
Greg Amy said:
Negative. That lap record, set in 2006 - which I thought would last for a while - only lasted until the first serious Miata assault (Marc Cefalo in '08? Got into the low 17s?) and then an allegedly-noncompliant Honda CRX during the end-of-year enduro (got into the high-16s). Marc in his Miata also broke my WGI short-course record that same weekend.
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http://www.nescca.com/nescca_main/crtrwg-l.pdf

Apparently you still have the track record for the long course at WGI.
 
mossaidis said:
Apparently you still have the track record for the long course at WGI.
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That would be nice, but it's incorrect. Marc definitely went faster than that in '09 - hell, DiMinno went a few tenths faster in that same race chasing Marc - and the enduro guy went even faster at the end-year enduro. I remember, 'cause I was incessantly taunted by DiMinno via texts... ;)
 
Here's Marc's short course record, Fun One '09:
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1319793

Here's Marc's long course record (and DiMinno beating my time), Last Chance '09:
http://www.glen-scca.org/roadracing/2009/Last_Chance_2009_Race_Results.pdf#Group6

It appears that they did not credit Marc with a lap record on the time sheets. I'd forgotten that Gump was in that race too; I heard the ITA battle was epic!

Here's the Honda's enduro time of 2:16.8, Last Chance Enduro '09:
http://www.glen-scca.org/roadracing/2009/2009_Enduro_Race_Results.pdf

I see at the bottom there's no mention of a lap record...

Marc Cefalo is the legitimate long-course lap record holder at WGI with a 2:17.086.

On edit: I sent an email to the registrar and webmaster, requesting that correction. - GA
 
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Results are posted on NeSCCA.com (link).


During Pro IT
New Track Record (2:14.137) for ITS by Jeff Henderson.
New Track Record (2:22.619) for ITB by Michael Tinis
New Track Record (2:17.328) for ITA by Robert Beede


and during the regional race
2:12.743 ITR 10/8/2011 by (70) Abdulrab Aziz
 
Darrell, please see three posts up...while a good, fast time, that is not a new ITA lap record... - GA
 
I saw that, I wear glasses but I'm not blind.

I'm just the messenger pointing to the results for this event that show that new lap records we achieved. If they are inaccurate then you must correspond (with data to back it up) with the Chief of Timing and Scoring for that event. Then the Chief of Timing and Scoring will make the correction and report that so these can be published on the NeSCCA site. As far as I know the NeSCCA site is the keeper of all track records for the northeast division.

Pro IT is just a regional series using regional classes that met all the rules for those classes, nothing special about us. No special records for us.
 
I was just alerted of the issue with the lap records. As the Chief of T&S for Glen, I want to get the bottom of who has the record. In Orbits we had a time which very well may have been the record, but by who was inaccurate. Orbits shows the ITA record of 2:16.896 set 7/24/2005 by David Gran. the NESCCA record stated it was a 2:17.9XX I went to the 2005 results and David Gran did not set that time. Without any better data, I reverted back to the NESCCA record and claimed the new time as the record. Carl Driese and I will review the records and hopefully have a definitive answer soon. We will work to revise the NESCCA records to accurately reflect the real record. If you guys ever have a question in the future, please contact me. I'll do my best to give a satisfying answer.
 
Also sent via PM:

Good evening. In regard to the ITA lap record on the Long Course at Watkins Glen, I re-set the lap record in July of 2006 at 2:17.900

http://www.glen-scca.org/roadracing/2006/July_Sprints_2006_Group3.pdf

...which is what is currently listed on the FLR web page. However, at the Last Change Regionals in October 2009, Marc Cefalo re-set that record to 2:17.086; see Group 6:

http://www.glen-scca.org/roadracing/2009/Last_Chance_2009_Race_Results.pdf#Group6

In the Last Chance Enduro that same weekend, another ITA car went faster, at a 2:16.896, however the supplementary regulations - as is customary - specifically stated that lap records will not be honored during the enduro event:

http://www.glen-scca.org/roadracing/2009/2009_Enduro_Race_Results.pdf

Therefore, the correct ITA lap record for the long course at Watkins Glen is 2:17.086, set by Marc Cefalo in a Miata on October 11, 2009.

Greg Amy
 
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