Geo & James, next time your at a Kart track please take a picture or two of a Top Guy Karter with weight attached to the alum floor pan. I don't need to throw names around when it comes to Karting. I raced at the local level, at the WKA Regional level & at the WKA National level. If I were to throw a name around it would be the name of my son who was for several years a Top Gun Karter with the WKA at the National level & he set up Karts for Top Gun Karters at WKA & IKF National level races. Nuff said by me about Karting.
Darin, I could care less what you & George have to say about your admitted illegal empty ballast box. There is no friken rule that says you are allowed to have an addmitted illegal empty ballast box. You got the point but you always need to play the self-rightiousness (your word) card. Did ya learn that from Bill ? Sorry Bill......
Jake, it's always fun to chat with you & Joe. That's because the two of you don't play the self-rightiousness card. Joe deservingly so busted my chops because I requested some paper work. I can live with a good poke. :119:
On the other hand with respect to your comment about classing the 1st ge RX-7 I will campaing on any thread where the subject comes up or I think the subject is appropriate. (One of the items I threw out some time back was to allow the 1st gen RX-7 to be classed in ITA & ITB & to allow the owner to place the car in the class of the owners choice. Apparently the ITAC also had the same idea. Joe, more than one of us had the same idea.
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Both you & I know the SCCA rules are written to place any blame/fault on the SCCA member who installed the weight. Let's be proactive with the amount of weight which may need to be installed & let's not wait untill someone installs 240 pounds & has the weight come loose when the person takes a wild end over end & gets KILLED. My bet would be that from the get go no one had intentions of installing 240 pounds of floorpan weight.
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Previous to year 2005 the maximum amount of weight that could be floorpan installed in IT was 100 pounds. Then for year 2005 & beyond any number of 50 pounds chunks may be added. Yup, some folks decided that 100 pounds was the SAFE maximun amount of weight that could be added to the thin spot welded floorpan & then some wiser folks came along & said put in all the 50 pound chunks you would like.
I am going by the written ITCS rules previous to the 2005 GCR & the latest written ITCS rule in the 2005 GCR.
Lets be proactive & have more SHALL rules so that every Tom, Dick & Harry is forced to install to a proven fabrication practice. The weight is no different than the new two tube side protection rule. You & I both know that when we have everyone deciding what "two tubes" are there will be un-safe side protection built into IT cars. Naw, there is nothing lame about my comment about libality with this 240 pound chunk of weight installed as one pleases. In IT cars roll cage with five planes is required to keep shit out of the drivers compartment for driver protection & then the SCCA allows a 240 pound chunk of weight to be bolted to the thin spot welded sheet metal floor pan with two 1/2 inch diameter SAE bolts/nuts with large washers. Yes the rule goes on about you "MAY" reinforce & all but it don't say ya "SHALL" reinforce. The word "MAY" is the word that will allow the 240 pound chunk of weight to come loose in an end over end. Naw, the only thing lame is the rules written by the SCCA to protect the SCCA.
The rewards weight on the Honda was conversation in more than a few Production conversations at the Runoffs for a couple years. I don't have clue how it was mounted. The car is gone. That is the whole point of me being on a rant about the 240 pound weight being mounted to the rules to the thin spot welded sheet metal floor pan. Because some of the pi$$ ants in Production gave Adam about all the undeserved shit he could stand I had no desire to look over HIS car or ask him questions.
I think the irony would be great... imagine, getting protested for an empty, "illegal" ballast box location, in a car that's 100lbs over the minimum weight without ballast! Could you really do that with a straight face??? 
