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Sorry for being so late to the party. But somebody help me out on this:

90-92 GTI/GLI 16v moves to ITA at 2475 lbs
For those not keeping track, this car was previously classed at 2220 in ITS.

Why are certain other (ITA) cars stonewalled from moving classes and increasing weight past the magical 2380# (where cages need to get bigger) while this car just sails through? Am I missing something?
 
Originally posted by Jake@Oct 20 2005, 11:22 AM
Sorry for being so late to the party.  But somebody help me out on this:

90-92 GTI/GLI 16v moves to ITA at 2475 lbs
For those not keeping track, this car was previously classed at 2220 in ITS.

Why are certain other (ITA) cars stonewalled from moving classes and increasing weight past the magical 2380# (where cages need to get bigger) while this car just sails through?  Am I missing something?
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That's pretty easy to answer, but you aren't going to LIKE the answer...

From a pure classification standpoint, some cars CLEARLY belong in the lower class... The example car above is one of those cars... Essentially, there is NO QUESTION that it's potential was overestimated when it was originally classified and it had no business being in ITS.

For other cars, it's not so clear. You know who you are...

Now, in the case you note above, I can honestly say that I'm not sure if the ITAC even remembered to consider the cage issue on this one, so, at least for me, this seems to be an oversight... Hey, it happens... Hopefully, this move hasn't rendered anyone illegal... How many of these cars were actually being raced? I can't imagine it being an attractive classification as it was...

Anyhow, there are those of us who believe other cars should be moved, but not enough of us to make it happen. This is mostly based on the "potential" of the car... Let's just say that people disagree on what that actually is, but then, let's face it, some of these cars are both oddballs that don't really fit the mold anyhow. So, we have to deal with it as such...

Also, there are a LOT of RX-7's, for example, out there racing... My guess is that there are only a few of the VWs that were moved out there, so the impact of requiring a tubing update would certainly be less... And, we were directed that we were NOT to make moves that would render someones car illegal in this manner... Hopefully the move noted above didn't do that...

All in all, in my opinion, all of this is just a bunch of excuses for a system that isn't quite correct, but, it's the system we have to work with and we are doing the best that we can...

The bottom line on the MR-2 is this... It makes as much power as the best in ITB, and it'll easily out-brake and out-handle anything in that class... theoretically... And, even though, with weight, it could be made to fit, it doesn't really belong there... BUT, it doesn't fit in ITA either...

Now, depending on what happens with the CRB and BoD later this year, it SHOULD fit there in the future... It's going to take an all-out effort, but it should be possible to make it competitive...

See.... I told you you wouldn't like the answer...
 
The bottom line on the MR-2 is this... It makes as much power as the best in ITB, and it'll easily out-brake and out-handle anything in that class... theoretically... And, even though, with weight, it could be made to fit, it doesn't really belong there... BUT, it doesn't fit in ITA either...

Darin,

I used to race an AW11 MR2, and I don't know if I'd agree that it makes as much power as the best in ITB. I seriously doubt that you can get a 4AGE, in IT trim (especially w/ the TVIS still in place), to make as much power as a Volvo 142. The Mk III Golf is starting out 3hp higher, based on stock numbers. Would it be closer to the pointy end of the field? Yep, probably going to be in the top 20%, from a power standpoint. But it won't make as much as the top cars.

Handling and balance are another story. The car is very easy to drive, and has quite a bit of adjustability. Would make a fun ITB car, but they've been trying to get them moved for 10 years now.
 
Originally posted by Bill Miller@Oct 20 2005, 01:34 PM
But it won't make as much as the top cars. 

Handling and balance are another story.  The car is very easy to drive, and has quite a bit of adjustability.  Would make a fun ITB car, but they've been trying to get them moved for 10 years now.
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Well... it'll be close...

Either way, like I said... there are those of us who believe it belongs with the other 4AGE powered car, and then, there are those that don't...

I think if it can get some help in ITA, through various means, that a well preparred, well driven example should be a contender again... We'll just have to see what happens...

I'm not sure how many of these are out there, but it's a small battle in a much bigger war... I think we can make it better... Time will tell...
 
Originally posted by Banzai240@Oct 20 2005, 09:41 AM
Well... it'll be close...

Either way, like I said... there are those of us who believe it belongs with the other 4AGE powered car, and then, there are those that don't...

I think if it can get some help in ITA, through various means, that a well preparred, well driven example should be a contender again...  We'll just have to see what happens...

I'm not sure how many of these are out there, but it's a small battle in a much bigger war...  I think we can make it better...  Time will tell...
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Which other 4AGE car? The FX16 or the AE86 Corolla? Personally, they should all probably be in ITB. Throw a hundred or so pounds on them, and move them down.

That's really one of the beauties of a defined classification process, you can get weights for different classes. :023:
 
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