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If you can figure this puzzle out, then you qualify to be an IT Rules maker. If not, sit quietly and listen :D

You have a detached garage with no windows...

You are in the house
There are three switches, labled on and off.
In the shop there are 3 lamp bulbs plugged into 3 outlets
Each switch maps to only one lamp bulb
You can only go into the shop once
Once you leave the house, you can not return!

Question: How can you determine which switches map to which lamps in the shop?
:unsure:
ENJOY!
 
Originally posted by Webmaster@Jan 19 2006, 11:28 AM
If you can figure this puzzle out, then you qualify to be an IT Rules maker.  If not, sit quietly and listen  :D

You have a detached garage with no windows...

You are in the house
There are three switches, labled on and off.
In the shop there are 3 lamp bulbs plugged into 3 outlets
Each switch maps to only one lamp bulb
You can only go into the shop once
Once you leave the house, you can not return!

Question: How can you determine which switches map to which lamps in the shop?
:unsure:
ENJOY!
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I seem to remember seeing this many years ago, but I can't remember where or when. I think the answer goes something like: you turn on switch #1 for several minutes, then turn it off and turn on switch #2 and go out to the garage. The bulb that is on is obviously mapped to switch #2, the bulb that is hot is mapped to switch #1, and the remaining bulb is mapped to switch #3.

Where do I send my resume? :D
 
Originally posted by Webmaster@Jan 19 2006, 03:28 PM
If you can figure this puzzle out, then you qualify to be an IT Rules maker.  If not, sit quietly and listen  :D

You have a detached garage with no windows...

You are in the house
There are three switches, labled on and off.
In the shop there are 3 lamp bulbs plugged into 3 outlets
Each switch maps to only one lamp bulb
You can only go into the shop once
Once you leave the house, you can not return!

Question: How can you determine which switches map to which lamps in the shop?
:unsure:
ENJOY!
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Flip two switches, wait inside the house about 5 minutes, then turn ONE of the switches off.

Go into the garage.

Light on = switch still in ON position
Light off but warm = switch you turned OFF
Light off but cold = switch you didn't turn on.

What do I win??

Edit: damn...earl beat me to it by seconds...arrgh.

MC
 
I am filing a protest...


You never said that we could use a heat lamp bulb that would hold the heat until you arrived in the garage. Here in the friggid Northeast by the time you get to the garage the bulb would be cold again... :bash_1_:

Raymond "If it doesn't say you can than you can't" Blethen
 
Originally posted by Webmaster@Jan 19 2006, 08:28 AM
If you can figure this puzzle out, then you qualify to be an IT Rules maker.  If not, sit quietly and listen  :D

You have a detached garage with no windows...

You are in the house
There are three switches, labled on and off.
In the shop there are 3 lamp bulbs plugged into 3 outlets
Each switch maps to only one lamp bulb
You can only go into the shop once
Once you leave the house, you can not return!

Question: How can you determine which switches map to which lamps in the shop?
:unsure:
ENJOY!
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Amateurs.....

You flip them ALL on and go out and work on the race car. :)
 
where does it say the shop is in the garage?

if it doesn't say the shop is in the garage, you can't assume it could be.

just because everybody does it doesn't mean it should be allowed!

talk about slippery slopes.
 
Nowhere does it say who else may or may not go in the garage. It says YOU may not re-enter the house, etc. . . ..

Buy a buddy a beer, have him stand in the door of the garage (shop, whatever) while you flip the switches and have him yell which one is on or off.

It also doesn't specify that all the lights are off (or on) when you start flipping the switches - so how do you know whether they were on or off to start with?

Ad infinitum.
 
If it were truly a GCR item it would read something like this:


RULES

Any undefined terms or phrasing in this document or any task given referring thereto shall be construed to have commonly accepted meaning.

Article 1.A.I.a:

You have a concrete block garage with one solid door, an opaque roof, and no windows or cracks through which light may pass. The door is closed. No one other than yourself is allowed to open the door, enter the garage, or peer inside for the purpose of determining illumintion.

You are in the house. Near the door to the house which is closest to the aforementioned garage, there are three light switches, each labeled "on" and "off". They are all correctly labeled and functioning correctly. Your wiring is correct, complete, installed in a professional manner, and meets the letter and intent of the most recently published National Electrical Code (subsequently referred to as the "NEC"). Electricity (of the correct voltage and sufficient current capacity) is provided to the "normally open" contact of each switch. You installed all the aforementioned wiring, and there is no one else who knows its routing, controls, or terminations.

Each of the aforementioned switches independently controls one and only one outlet in the aforementioned garage.

Three independent, properly functioning "lamps" (defined, in the glossary, as a complete unit, including switch, cord, plug, and housing - which when properly assembled provide a usable light source) are plugged into one of each of the aforementioned three outlets. Each lamp is equipped with an incandescent bulb which has been measured with a "hot filament" (see NEC) resistance of 150 ohms.

You may only leave the house only one time. Once you leave, you shall not re-enter. You may enter the garage only once. Once you enter you shall not leave.

There is no limit on the time required to complete any task based on these rules.

Any disagreement in the meaning of this article or of the performance of any task given thereunder may result in penalties up to and including disqualification. Any penalty, however, may be referred to a Court of Appeals. The Court of Appeals shall consist of an independent panel of three persons, appointed by and selected from a pool of persons knowledgeable of these rules.


Task:

In compliance with these "rules" (as set forth in Article 1.A.I.a), determine exactly which of the aforementioned three switches controls each of the three aforementioned outlets.

........................................................................................................

Yes, I have too much free time at the moment. :)
 
you know... this forum is a heck of a lot more entertaining during the "off season". :D

I tend to go by the thought that the question didn't actually state that you could turn on or off a light bulb, much less heat one up. It stated that the switch's were conected to the 3 light bulbs.

To determine this within the context of the question (and thusly within the context of the GCR) one would need 3 multimeters with extra long leads, so that you could test each switch and bulb at the same time.

By using a tool to check a defined switch to bulb connection, you are not offering any advantage to one bulb over the other. There will be no "pre heating", all bulbs and switch's will be treated as "spec". :023:
 
I was just wondering if I could add a resistor into one of those circuits to better enhance my over the bench candlepower?

Can I move the harness???

Also, the housing around the bulb is causing an overheating problem so I plan on removing it and just going nekkid bulb, I also feel this will reduce drag around the bulb when the overhead door is open!

Any thoughts?
:D :D :D

R
 
....you ask mattberg what the secret plot against your garage is and why do your neighbors all hate (and covet) your light bulbs?
 
Originally posted by Doc Bro@Jan 20 2006, 07:02 AM
I was just wondering if I could add a resistor into one of those circuits to better enhance my over the bench candlepower?

Can I move the harness???

Also, the housing around the bulb is causing an overheating problem so I plan on removing it and just going nekkid bulb, I also feel this will reduce drag around the bulb when the overhead door is open!

Any thoughts?
:D  :D  :D

R
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Best response yet! :happy204: :023:
 
Originally posted by ITANorm@Jan 20 2006, 03:24 AM
If it were truly a GCR item it would read something like this:
RULES

Any undefined terms or phrasing in this document or any task given referring thereto shall be construed to have commonly accepted meaning.

Article 1.A.I.a:

You have a concrete block garage with one solid door, an opaque roof, and no windows or cracks through which light may pass.  The door is closed.  No one other than yourself is allowed to open the door, enter the garage, or peer inside for the purpose of determining illumintion.

You are in the house.  Near the door to the house which is closest to the aforementioned garage, there are three light switches, each labeled "on" and "off".  They are all correctly labeled and functioning correctly.  Your wiring is correct, complete, installed in a professional manner, and meets the letter and intent of the most recently published National Electrical Code (subsequently referred to as the "NEC").  Electricity (of the correct voltage and sufficient current capacity) is provided to the "normally open" contact of each switch.  You installed all the aforementioned wiring, and there is no one else who knows its routing, controls, or terminations. 

Each of the aforementioned switches independently controls one and only one outlet in the aforementioned garage.

Three independent, properly functioning "lamps" (defined, in the glossary, as a complete unit, including switch, cord, plug, and housing - which when properly assembled provide a usable light source) are plugged into one of each of the aforementioned three outlets.  Each lamp is equipped with an incandescent bulb which has been measured with a "hot filament" (see NEC) resistance of 150 ohms.

You may only leave the house only one time.  Once you leave, you shall not re-enter.  You may enter the garage only once. Once you enter you shall not leave.

There is no limit on the time required to complete any task based on these rules.

Any disagreement in the meaning of this article or of the performance of any task given thereunder may result in penalties up to and including disqualification.  Any penalty, however, may be referred to a Court of Appeals.  The Court of Appeals shall consist of an independent panel of three persons, appointed by and selected from a pool of persons knowledgeable of these rules.
 

Task:

In compliance with these "rules" (as set forth in Article 1.A.I.a), determine exactly which of the aforementioned three switches controls each of the three aforementioned outlets.

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Yes, I have too much free time at the moment.  :)
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Needs the following added "You are allowed three total switched...."
 
I can see now, in retrospect, that niether Mark nor I are even remotely qualified to be rules makers. We completely read the problem, thought it through, called on our past experience and added a modicum of logical reflection, and came up with a simple, concise solution to the problem that would satisfy all involved.

My God, what were we thinking! :wacko:
 
Originally posted by erlrich@Jan 20 2006, 03:18 PM
I can see now, in retrospect, that niether Mark nor I are even remotely qualified to be rules makers. We completely read the problem, thought it through, called on our past experience and added a modicum of logical reflection, and came up with a simple, concise solution to the problem that would satisfy all involved.

My God, what were we thinking! :wacko:
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Well,
Earl the beauty is that you see the error of your ways! While your thoughts were logical and well stated, your direction was way off.

Remember this, a mind once expanded shall never contract back to its original dimension.

Keep trying little grasshopper, you CAN do it!!! :D :happy204: :023:


R
 
Wait a minute!!! Wasn't this garage stuff covered in another thread? :119:


Of course, if you race a British car, you wouldn't have nor need lights. The glow from the electical shorts would light your path. :lol:
 
in my shop i have a fuse panel that is labeled...simply shut each breaker off and note switch one two three...planning ahead and bask in the glory of victory!!!
 
Originally posted by charrbq@Jan 20 2006, 03:19 PM
Wait a minute!!!  Wasn't this garage stuff covered in another thread? :119:
Of course, if you race a British car, you wouldn't have nor need lights.  The glow from the electical shorts would light your path. :lol:
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All hale Lucus, Prince of Darkness. In this case you'd trace the switches by the distance of the escaped smoke from the respective wires.

James
 
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