>>>...maybe your definition of a comp adjustment is different than mine.
My definition of a "comp adjustment" is setting any car's weight significantly different - high or low - than the weight derived from using the formulaic process developed. I understand there are some "subjective adders and subtracters" in there, but - as I understand it - most, if not all, are based on physical characteristics of the car (RWD v. FWD, strut suspension, etc).
>>>When the CRX's weight got changed, it was one of 16 cars. Those 16 were a result of a myriad of cars that HADN'T been run through the process...
C'mon, Andy: you know I'm not talking about the re-org through the formula process in early '06. I fully understand that all these cars went through the same formula my car did and were thus re-adjusted accordingly.
What I
am talking about is the fact that the Honda CRX had approximately 300 pounds added to it over and above the standard formuliac process - even
after the adders and subtracters - because otherwise it would have been "an overdog" and because of 'known' horsepower numbers.
THAT, my friend, is most decisively a competition adjustment.
Ergo, comp adjustments are already in place. If you disagree, then explain to us how the Honda CRX actually comes out when run through the process using manufacturer's published data? If you disagree that this is a comp adjustment, then you truly diverge from most folks' basis for philosophical and spirit-of-the-rules discussion...
>>>DO WE WANT TO OFFER CARROTS to certain cars in order to incent people to develop them?
Yes. Absolutely. Without a doubt.
The whole basis for the big re-org of the last fews years was to minimize - if not outright eliminate - the subjectivity of the weight-setting process, and, in theory, give each and every car a shot at the brass ring. Theoretically speaking, any and all cars should have equal
opportunity at being able to prepare a winning car. Unfortunately, while this process has produced some downright wicked cool competition between varying cars, there are still some folks out there that believe they were short-changed by the process.
By dangling a carrot in front of these folks we're encouraging them to "put up or shut up"; prove or disprove what they believe is correct. Best case we see some new chassis developed and running towards the fore; worst case we end up with an overdog that has to be addressed. Neither will happen immediately and/or overnight.
>>>...we would also have to agree that should that carrot prove to create an overdog, it has to be taken away as you have stated.
Of course. That's part of this idea(l).
Unfortunately, it could lead to a lot of "keeping your cards close" and outright lying about potential (like that doesn't happen now!), but in the end "the truth will out". It's completely impossible, long-term, to have an unfair advantage and keep it to yourself forever; eventually you have to show your cards to win the game.
>>>Not sure you have given an example of an out of order willingness to accept a positive and not a negative.
One example I've given is that you've accepted that the AW11 "can" make process weight due to one example, yet ignore numerous other owners that disagree, all without direct verification of that one example.
>>>...so you stick with your assumptions until you have enough data to feel like you can make the right choice. Seems very logical to me.
It always seems to be, as long as you're not on the opposing side. you'd feel differently if your position conflicted with the status quo instead of governing it.
Logic is not dependent on viewpoint; it's either logical or it's not. If your belief in the "logic" changes with your point of view, then it's not logical...
>>>How do we decide what cars get the carrot?
A fine question, one that I will leave as rhetorical for discussion.
However, one easy way to do it is to take advantage of existing rules and use them as necessary. If the vast majority of AW11 users would rather run fat in ITB, then let 'em try it. Alternatively, given dual-classification is already a fact in IT, try that tactic, see what happens.
In the end, all cards will be shown...
>>>...happens to be a harder ship to turn in that regard - and I would submit that is a large portion of the stability and popularity of the class.
Well, the class has been popular for decades, with or without the stability, and declaring the class is stable 'cause it's stable is making my head "asplode"...
>>>So - do we want to start throwing carrots? Bones? Incentives? Maybe another thread is in order.
Maybe. I'd be interested in varying viewpoints on the matter...
On edit: I think you only get so many quotes before the system screams "uncle"...
(plus the car has a Chevette front end and cannot run coil overs in the front-but I know that wouldn't factor for a weight adjustment, would it?). 
Do any of you expect the ITAC to ignore known HP numbers and percent gains in classing? It sucks to have a very well developed car with widely known and published numbers but those are the breaks. Some of these new classifications are making better than 25% gains and will need some looking at in time as well. Call it a PCA or just common sense but do it! If the MR2 lacks 150 # of making weight and does not respond well to IT mods then it won't need the 300+ to make ITB weight. Sounds like it is half way there already. Take some pictures of your cage and give some very detailed accounts of your build and weight reduction work and send it in. Yes--you should have to prove it can not make weight. Take it to a respected builder and get their opinion on your work--might be surprised what can be legally done. I think any IT car that has to push every loophole in the rules to make weight is poorly classed and is at a disadvantage to begin with. No room for accusump, cool suit, or any other conveniences that the target cars get. In the end we want more cars on track with a reasonable chance to win. The personal attacks have no place in this process and are way out of line. Work with the drivers (insert CUSTOMERS) and lets get fields in IT full again. 
