shwah
New member
Chuck - you will have two choices on how to run that car in STU
1. legal to the ITS rule set - stock cams, .5 compression bump, stock brakes
2. legal to the STU rule set - big cam, bigger compression, big brakes, etc., along with anything else required by the class - fire system, etc.
No mixing and matching that I read anywhere.
1. legal to the ITS rule set - stock cams, .5 compression bump, stock brakes
2. legal to the STU rule set - big cam, bigger compression, big brakes, etc., along with anything else required by the class - fire system, etc.
No mixing and matching that I read anywhere.
Racerlinn
New member
With the way the GLDiv regional schedule has come together for 2010, and the good chance a new track will not be up and running, seems like this coming year will be the one where I go to a couple tracks I've never been before. And running STU at the Sprints works nicely into my summer schedule since my kids are at camp. So pencil in one more mid-pack ITA car.
Thread highjack: Chris, any info on this Quadruple regional at Blackhawk on May 15-16?
Really, 4 races over the weekend? Format? Link?
Thread highjack: Chris, any info on this Quadruple regional at Blackhawk on May 15-16?
Really, 4 races over the weekend? Format? Link?
shwah
New member
I don't know yet, but I think it is comprised of IT fest style qualify-race-race-race-race with grids set by previous session. When I get more I will let you know.
We did something similar at Blackhawk in October, though two of the races did not have sanction numbers, but counted towards the weekend points competition. It was fun with 3 short sprints and one longer race.
We did something similar at Blackhawk in October, though two of the races did not have sanction numbers, but counted towards the weekend points competition. It was fun with 3 short sprints and one longer race.
Chris,
You're right, I wasn't talking mix and match. I've got a spare motor that I could pop the pistons and cam into. Window clips and driveshaft hoops are the only things I need to add to the tub to be STU legal. The conversion back and forth is fairly easy unless I get into bigger brakes and Megasquirt.
I figure that's about $2500 parts, race entries, travel time and misc. beer expenses....but Brats - Yum.
Chuck
You're right, I wasn't talking mix and match. I've got a spare motor that I could pop the pistons and cam into. Window clips and driveshaft hoops are the only things I need to add to the tub to be STU legal. The conversion back and forth is fairly easy unless I get into bigger brakes and Megasquirt.
I figure that's about $2500 parts, race entries, travel time and misc. beer expenses....but Brats - Yum.
Chuck
why wouldn't the mega squirt go form one to the other?
SLUF
New member
Already planing on the Runoffs for our IT7/STU POS-7! The Midiv Scott team is ALL ON BOARD with the Caddyshack corner!!!!!!! Hell, we're figuring between Mazda contingency and Club tow fund we'll have enough left over for real beer on the trip!!!!!!
Either Trey or myself will make the assault in the STU nationals this year. I haven't looked this forward to racing season in a long time!!!!!
Either Trey or myself will make the assault in the STU nationals this year. I haven't looked this forward to racing season in a long time!!!!!
1. What's keeping IT from being a National group?
2. Can I run an ITR BMW without changing anything?
3. Is it worth it to run it without mods if I can?
4. Are you guys "inviting" vets and pros only or can we newbs be part of the fun too?
I went into IT for a lot of reasons. Not being able to go to the ruboffs was a con. I see where we are allowed to participate this year, but not really for anything other than participation. What's up with that?
BTW, I laughed out loud when I saw the Mongol hoard photo earlier in the thread. Awesome motivator to crash STU.
2. Can I run an ITR BMW without changing anything?
3. Is it worth it to run it without mods if I can?
4. Are you guys "inviting" vets and pros only or can we newbs be part of the fun too?
I went into IT for a lot of reasons. Not being able to go to the ruboffs was a con. I see where we are allowed to participate this year, but not really for anything other than participation. What's up with that?
BTW, I laughed out loud when I saw the Mongol hoard photo earlier in the thread. Awesome motivator to crash STU.
>>>1. What's keeping IT from being a National group?
History. A long discussion. Lots of beer.*
>>> 2. Can I run an ITR BMW without changing anything?
Yes.
>>> 3. Is it worth it to run it without mods if I can?
Yes, 'cause it'll be loads of fun.
>>> 4. Are you guys "inviting" vets and pros only or can we newbs be part of the fun too?
Everyone is invited, as far as I'm concerned. Just note that you must have a National license in order to run the National races needed to qualify for the National SCCA Runoffs. Yes, it's complicated.
GA
*Short answer: I.T. was a class developed in the early-80's in the Pacific Northwest as some place for aged Showroom Stock cars to run (SSx cars used to be classified for only 4 years). It was intended for local use but a lot of other regions saw its quick success and offered it in theirs. Soon thereafter, there was a move for a standardized set of rules nationwide; Englewood (Colorado, the old home of SCCA before Topeka) relented by publishing a set of rules in the GCR -- the first-ever set of nationally-recognized rules for a Regional class. However, SCCA did not want any more National classes so as part of that "relentation" Englewood specifically stated, and codified it in the rules, that I.T. was to be forever a Regional-Only class. It's been a regular argument within the I.T. ranks ever since. Yes, even before the Interwebz.
Long answer? History. A long discussion. Lots of beer.
History. A long discussion. Lots of beer.*
>>> 2. Can I run an ITR BMW without changing anything?
Yes.
>>> 3. Is it worth it to run it without mods if I can?
Yes, 'cause it'll be loads of fun.
>>> 4. Are you guys "inviting" vets and pros only or can we newbs be part of the fun too?
Everyone is invited, as far as I'm concerned. Just note that you must have a National license in order to run the National races needed to qualify for the National SCCA Runoffs. Yes, it's complicated.
GA
*Short answer: I.T. was a class developed in the early-80's in the Pacific Northwest as some place for aged Showroom Stock cars to run (SSx cars used to be classified for only 4 years). It was intended for local use but a lot of other regions saw its quick success and offered it in theirs. Soon thereafter, there was a move for a standardized set of rules nationwide; Englewood (Colorado, the old home of SCCA before Topeka) relented by publishing a set of rules in the GCR -- the first-ever set of nationally-recognized rules for a Regional class. However, SCCA did not want any more National classes so as part of that "relentation" Englewood specifically stated, and codified it in the rules, that I.T. was to be forever a Regional-Only class. It's been a regular argument within the I.T. ranks ever since. Yes, even before the Interwebz.
Long answer? History. A long discussion. Lots of beer.
Thanks. The short answer works. It's too bad. I'll save my breath to argue that it should be changed. But if anyone ever takes it's on seriously, I'll yell and scream with the best of them. As for the liscence, I understand I need a National standing. That depends on the $$$ of how many of the National races I can attend. Thanks, good luck.
"buh buh buh buy .... Bushwood ..."
I think that your idea to run a mini IT fest in STU at the runoffs is awesome. The more the merrier. I think that STU will be undersubscribed anyway. Plus it's a bastard class shoved down the throat of national racing without member input.
Just to put some numbers around STU, there was a fairly fast (I assume) STU at the Watkins Glen national this year. Phil Parlato ran a 2:09.166.
IT lap records at WGI:
ITA 2:17.900
ITB 2:22.838
ITC 2:28.228
ITE 2:03.147
ITR 2:14.049
ITS 2:14.155
So if Phil's STU is a good guideline, 120% of his time at WGI is a 2:34.99. Looks easy based on the lap records above.
IMHO, in the north east WGI is likely the best comparison to RA.
-Kyle
PS: There has been talk (forum talk) of lowering the cutoff to 110%.
I think that your idea to run a mini IT fest in STU at the runoffs is awesome. The more the merrier. I think that STU will be undersubscribed anyway. Plus it's a bastard class shoved down the throat of national racing without member input.
Just to put some numbers around STU, there was a fairly fast (I assume) STU at the Watkins Glen national this year. Phil Parlato ran a 2:09.166.
IT lap records at WGI:
ITA 2:17.900
ITB 2:22.838
ITC 2:28.228
ITE 2:03.147
ITR 2:14.049
ITS 2:14.155
So if Phil's STU is a good guideline, 120% of his time at WGI is a 2:34.99. Looks easy based on the lap records above.
IMHO, in the north east WGI is likely the best comparison to RA.
-Kyle
PS: There has been talk (forum talk) of lowering the cutoff to 110%.
Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
What a great reference to Caddy Shack. It's perfect! I know the ITA record is about a second lower and I think the ITB record fell - but no matter - they are light years behind a built STU car. As it should be. It's all about crashing the pool.
Yes, STU cars will be old SWC cars at the front end with the proper mods.
gran racing
Super Moderator
I think that B record still stands at least till next year. 
Where can one find out more about the runoffs event in terms of how it's run? Meaning is it a week long event of can it be made into a few days like the ARRC? If a class becomes over subscribed, I'd imagine they'd just eliminate the slowest qualifiers (ITB cars probably)?
Where can one find out more about the runoffs event in terms of how it's run? Meaning is it a week long event of can it be made into a few days like the ARRC? If a class becomes over subscribed, I'd imagine they'd just eliminate the slowest qualifiers (ITB cars probably)?
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We're trying to talk Famous Phil into making the trek, so he can be a good baseline.
In other words, a lot of sitting around. Just pretend it's an expensive multi-day autocross.
If it's anything like it was in the early 90's - thus take this post with a big grain of salt - Then it's a Monday test day, Tue/Wed/Thurs qualifying sessions (one per day) then Fri/Sat/Sun individual races.
In other words, a lot of sitting around. Just pretend it's an expensive multi-day autocross.