Lime Rock "Schools Out" Race

That's the way it should be done....nice job.

Greg Amy said:
So while we're doing all this hindsight thoughts, a few notes on Tech:

- Even though we were a bit short-handed at times, we tried to pull in every group at least twice and check a few basic, easy-to-do things. Restrictors plates, some weights, safety equipment, stickers, ride height, etc.

- Each group got at least one "Impound All" with hoods opened so everyone could take a look.

- Even though each group got at least one "Impound All" with hoods opened, it didn't seem like too many competitors were interested in looking at each others' cars. Everyone was too busy waving their hands around side-by-side and talking about their Last Great Pass.

- When a competitor came up to me afterwards, worried that they thought the other guy was not running the restrictor plate, I asked him if he looked for it during the Impound All. This, as he was dropping his hood right after we released them from the Impound All. I got deer eyes.

- When a competitor came up to me afterwards, worried that they thought the other guy was not running the correct weight stickers on the car, I asked him if he looked for it during the Impound All. Yup, this was as I released them from the Impound All. I got deer eyes.

- I did notice a couple of cars that had incorrect weight stickers on their cars. Pointed it out to them. We did not weigh those cars during that session and no one else noticed it. I honestly think that after all that hullabaloo above, not many people even bothered to look at other cars...

"Horse to water", folks. Gotta help yourself. We'll give you the opportunities, so you should take advantage of it.

GA
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Thanks glenn for the honerable mention! WE did not expect the car to work as well as it did. Im very happy with the way it turned out. But where is the video of the morning session? I would like to see how my car looks from the back even if it was only for a couple of laps!:smilie_pokal: Now that i have rain tires i want it to rain so i can have a better chance for one of those flags u now have what? 38 of. Congrats on a job well done glenn i learned alot this weekend till we meet again
 
Tim...you will be very difficult to beat in the rain... sorry about the
am race video... camera charger plugged in all night to a wall socket that
was switched off :(
 
JLawton said:
in regards to the incident with Denise, It's hard to tell from one camera and from that angle it looks like a) she didn't realize you were there, or b) if she did know you were there she should have given you racing room. It "looks" like you were at least up to her door......... but it's easy being the Sunday afternoon quarter back..........
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Mickey,

I watched the video and agree with Jeff on the angle part. Its tough to really say what you coulda/should done but I will share some feedback since you asked.

My first question for you to reflect on would be how far away from the car on the outside were you? To me it looks like you had a few feet between you and that car. IMHO to make an effective pass going THROUGH the uphill you and the other driver need to understand that you are going to go 2 wide through the turn. from the approach angle you appear to have made from your video it looks like you are trying to outbrake them into the turn rather than race side by side through the turn. I think it would have been almost impossible to do that which IMHO is why you locked up the tires trying to slow down. Next time try to stay a few inches away from the other car as you approach the turn, leaving htem just enough track that they may need. Taking this approach I think would have resulted in you being more visable to the other driver and "if" they still turned in it would have been more of a bump rather than a hit like that. rubbing I think would be way better than banging. I also think it would have allowed you to brake about the same time they didkeeping up your momentum and possibly kept you up beside them. With your line you are forced to brake earlier based on how tight you had made the turn become. I think you then could have stayed beside them and tried to carry speed up over the hill and past them. Rarely do cars of equal potential complete a pass INTO the uphill unless they started side by side going onto no name straight. I have gone side by side multiple laps with multiple people in that turn and usually completed the pass exiting the turn or even in west bend or later. Your "move" would have only worked if the other car backed off and let you through. which this is racing most of us are not programmed to do that! I think a better move like I tried to explain would have gotten you beside them at best but set you up for completing a pass later in the lap. Less be honest you are clearly faster through that section and you just needed to figure out a way to get up beside them, then passing would have been the easy part. At least from watching this video this is what I would have tried to do, especially given the "chop" a few laps earlier. (which I don't think was "wrong" on the other driver)

I would also recomend that next time you get in that type of situation stay focused! taking both hands of the wheel is a nice gesture but not really safe IMHO. You also waited a while before getting back on the gas. Keep in mind people coming from behind are still moving fast and the other car apeared to be blocking a large part of the track. Keep yourself safe and get going as fast as possible to avoid another contact from behind. I know it sucks to make a mistake and you want to say sorry right then but don't let it get worse by sticking around ;)

I hope I am not stepping on toes or offending you but you asked for feedback :)

Stephen
 
Yeah, you can't out brake someone in the Up Hill....... it's a tap on the brakes?? How are you going to out brake someone in that situation? And some of the Miatas don't even hit the brakes there! You need to set the person up in the left hander then get a run on them out of the right hander. How far up on the other car you need to be to make it stick depends on who it is your passing. A friend you trust? The door. Anyone else? Side by side...... and if you're not you better be prepared to back out of it. just remember that outside wall is right on the edge of the track. You don't want to put the other car into it.......

The same with West Bend and somewhat with the Down Hill.
 
I actually enjoy passing in the uphill, BUT as Jeff said it's about getting the run on out of the right hander. I also think it catches a lot of people off guard which is why the pass needs to be set-up well (other driver knows you've got them). If not, a little patience works.

Although watching the Integra's lines, I would have become a bit more tempted to stick it in there on some of the turns. (edit) I was totally a loser and stayed home; Sunday quarterback, knowing that it was damp, so that impacted the grippy line. :(
 
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Hey, did anyone come across a black "AJ Nealey Racing" ball cap? I may have left it in the Tech area, or possibly in the post-game "hospitality area" at the back of Kenny's truck... - GA
 
Greg Amy said:
Hey, did anyone come across a black "AJ Nealey Racing" ball cap? I may have left it in the Tech area, or possibly in the post-game "hospitality area" at the back of Kenny's truck... - GA
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a guy came up to me and said his name was AJ Nealy.......you know the rest. seriously, try calling the track. they have a lost and found. Might be at medical, Greg.
 
something you guys want to tell us?
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Oh come on! Keep up with the times. Said guy buys an ITA Miata and automatically transforms from Jeff into Ms. Jess.

No more multitasking for me after a long day! LOL

or possibly in the post-game "hospitality area" at the back of Kenny's truck
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Oh gesh. I'll let you guys have that one.
 
Greg Amy said:
Hey, did anyone come across a black "AJ Nealey Racing" ball cap? I may have left it in the Tech area, or possibly in the post-game "hospitality area" at the back of Kenny's truck... - GA
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hmmm where did you sleep? you do know you stayed up well past that tailgating party... don't you? :)

Stephen
 
StephenB said:
you do know you stayed up well past that tailgating party... don't you?
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I'll take your word on that... ;)

I was on the sofa in Mushnick's RV, he said he'd keep an eye out for it. We went from the worker party, to the tailgate, then cruised around to your paddock spot before we called it a night. I'm pretty sure I was wearing it through all that and then I couldn't find it Saturday, so the RV is the most likely candidate.

GA
 
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I deleted w/o intent. This will have to do Jeff Lawton :)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwsrTkiEOGs&feature=share[/ame]
 
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StephenB said:
Mickey,

I watched the video and agree with Jeff on the angle part. Its tough to really say what you coulda/should done but I will share some feedback since you asked.

My first question for you to reflect on would be how far away from the car on the outside were you? To me it looks like you had a few feet between you and that car. IMHO to make an effective pass going THROUGH the uphill you and the other driver need to understand that you are going to go 2 wide through the turn. from the approach angle you appear to have made from your video it looks like you are trying to outbrake them into the turn rather than race side by side through the turn. I think it would have been almost impossible to do that which IMHO is why you locked up the tires trying to slow down. Next time try to stay a few inches away from the other car as you approach the turn, leaving htem just enough track that they may need. Taking this approach I think would have resulted in you being more visable to the other driver and "if" they still turned in it would have been more of a bump rather than a hit like that. rubbing I think would be way better than banging. I also think it would have allowed you to brake about the same time they didkeeping up your momentum and possibly kept you up beside them. With your line you are forced to brake earlier based on how tight you had made the turn become. I think you then could have stayed beside them and tried to carry speed up over the hill and past them. Rarely do cars of equal potential complete a pass INTO the uphill unless they started side by side going onto no name straight. I have gone side by side multiple laps with multiple people in that turn and usually completed the pass exiting the turn or even in west bend or later. Your "move" would have only worked if the other car backed off and let you through. which this is racing most of us are not programmed to do that! I think a better move like I tried to explain would have gotten you beside them at best but set you up for completing a pass later in the lap. Less be honest you are clearly faster through that section and you just needed to figure out a way to get up beside them, then passing would have been the easy part. At least from watching this video this is what I would have tried to do, especially given the "chop" a few laps earlier. (which I don't think was "wrong" on the other driver)

I would also recomend that next time you get in that type of situation stay focused! taking both hands of the wheel is a nice gesture but not really safe IMHO. You also waited a while before getting back on the gas. Keep in mind people coming from behind are still moving fast and the other car apeared to be blocking a large part of the track. Keep yourself safe and get going as fast as possible to avoid another contact from behind. I know it sucks to make a mistake and you want to say sorry right then but don't let it get worse by sticking around ;)

I hope I am not stepping on toes or offending you but you asked for feedback :)

Stephen
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JLawton said:
Yeah, you can't out brake someone in the Up Hill....... it's a tap on the brakes?? How are you going to out brake someone in that situation? And some of the Miatas don't even hit the brakes there! You need to set the person up in the left hander then get a run on them out of the right hander. How far up on the other car you need to be to make it stick depends on who it is your passing. A friend you trust? The door. Anyone else? Side by side...... and if you're not you better be prepared to back out of it. just remember that outside wall is right on the edge of the track. You don't want to put the other car into it.......

The same with West Bend and somewhat with the Down Hill.
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ok... too much Sunday afternoon quarterbacking (Jeff, stay on the farm... lol). I appreciate the feedback from all including you Stephen. PS. interestly enough, I am getting PM's from National drivers including Runoffs champs - the personal feedback varies greatly from person to person, it's just fascintating.

Yes, I should have been side by side as much as possible. Also, I was not trying to outbrake anyone. The braking started when I relaized I was too offline for turn-in and soon thereafter realized I was too offline for braking as well.
 
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