944 weight reduction, any results

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AT 2900 lbs you could add a rollbar to a 160k street car ans be an instant front runner at most tracks....[/b]
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Huh? I guess "most tracks" aren't where I live. I can't find a track in a 12 hour tow where thats would be true.

Nearly any 944 would get their ass handed to them by the top guys who run ITA in a 12 hour radius from here, and the thought of a street car winning is beyond funny.
 
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Huh? I guess "most tracks" aren't where I live. I can't find a track in a 12 hour tow where thats would be true.

Nearly any 944 would get their ass handed to them by the top guys who run ITA in a 12 hour radius from here, and the thought of a street car winning is beyond funny.
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Yeah it would be funny but it would be possible...Clearly Jake the argument is more important to you than doing the right thing (as proven by this post) You all have fun with this cause the case is being made that this move is wrong.
 
Fred, just for kicks, run my car through the process and see where it ends up. 135 stock hp, 2560 weight. Live rear axle, drum brakes in the rear.
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Jeff I got you pegged at 2250 in ITR............... Don't worry if you can't get to 2275, anything will be close enough :P
 
Actually, I could get close.....scary. Run 75 lbs ballast as is, big cage, lots of places to lose weight,including my belly.

ITR TR8 it is!
 
and the thought of a street car winning is beyond funny.
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Kinda reminds me of those e36 325 street cars with " junkyard " motors dominating ITS a few back

Street car has a different meaning out in the great PNW
 
Kinda reminds me of those e36 325 street cars with " junkyard " motors dominating ITS a few back

Street car has a different meaning out in the great PNW
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That's currect, We drive some pretty nice stuff out here.I alway forget on the east coast you guys replace your shoe leather instead of your brake pads...........: :D


It is interesting that we can get enough weight out of our cars and you can't since most of that east coast stuff is lighter just from rot.
 
Touche' Joe and company......... Looks like the 944 was effectivly killed off per the march fastrack
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kinda sour grapes there Fred, I was not going to respond at all but the more I thought about it pissed me off that you act like I did something to wrong the 944....Cars will be built and driven and run at the pointy end of the field by people that want to run them there. Unlike you there are people that can see the forest through the trees and have a reasonable expection that they personally need to be as competitive as the car they choose to drive.

Have a nice day... B)
 
:rolleyes:
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sigh....

(This IS a debateable issue, and there ARE those with real expertise that think the ITAC had a tough call, and can see both sides....)
 
:rolleyes:
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sigh....

(This IS a debateable issue, and there ARE those with real expertise that think the ITAC had a tough call, and can see both sides....)
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You miss the point, Jake. It's always going to be a tough call but I had nothing to doing with killing the participation of this car. Cars will be built and driven at the pointy end of the grid. After seeing a fully uncorked ITR e36 run this weekend I will bet my last dollar that the other marques will be back to ITS once that overdog moves fulltime to ITR... The 944 will be back to being competitive in ITS once that happens
 
.. The 944 will be back to being competitive in ITS once that happens
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So you;re saying the 944 can be competitve if nobody shows up?

And i still beg to differ. Huffmasters RX-7, Dan Jones' BMW if he hangs in S, some Z cars are all putting the 944 in the mirrors. and as it stands, the BMW appears to be anything BUT an overdog, both on paper and on the track. At some point, physics matter. I hope I'm wrong and next year sees a 944 passing Huffmaster in his RX-7 for the win at the ARRCs with a Corrado right behind, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm not debating that in certain races, a 944 can win. Heck, I've beaten ITS cars in my car, but I've never beaten a "Good" ITS car.
 
So you;re saying the 944 can be competitve if nobody shows up?

And i still beg to differ. Huffmasters RX-7, Dan Jones' BMW if he hangs in S, some Z cars are all putting the 944 in the mirrors. and as it stands, the BMW appears to be anything BUT an overdog, both on paper and on the track. At some point, physics matter. I hope I'm wrong and next year sees a 944 passing Huffmaster in his RX-7 for the win at the ARRCs with a Corrado right behind, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm not debating that in certain races, a 944 can win. Heck, I've beaten ITS cars in my car, but I've never beaten a "Good" ITS car.
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Jake, please I know you get your kicks trying to twist my words but stop or resign please. I tire of have you try to justify a poor position by twisting peoples words, you are clearly not objective enough to serve on this committee and you should just quit. you can beg to differ all day long but beg to differ with someone else. This thread required no further input from you as an ITAC memeber. MY Alphin made a direct statement at me and I even tried hard to avoid responding to it. The only reason you responded was to have a go at me and I am tired of it. Again clearly you casnnot seperate yourself from your own emotions and you should resign.

Thanks for your cooperation on this matter, have a nice day
 
A thought: why don't we let this play out for a year or two and see what happens? I also tend to think that the departure of the unrestricted 325 from R will bring back a lot of old Z cars, and maybe bring in some 8V 944s. We'll see. If in a few years, the new "S" results in someone building a full tilt 944 and it can't make weight then maybe it's time to revisit this.

We've made a lot of changes quickly. Time to let things congeal a bit and see where they stand.
 
Cars will be built and driven and run at the pointy end of the field by people that want to run them there. Unlike you there are people that can see the forest through the trees and have a reasonable expection that they personally need to be as competitive as the car they choose to drive.
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First off Sir, I would not choose a 944 again for that very reason, if I can't be competitive I would rather stay home ( that is just me, nothing personal ) and I beg to differ that even with the great Joe Harlan doing the prep, NO 944 8v will find it self at the pointy end of any ITS field short of: a lame 2 or 3 car field like out in the northwest, a giant crash in which the front runner ITS cars are sidelined, a significant cheated up 944, or a field that finds no well prepped RX7, Z, 240's, GSR, VWvr6 etc etc

Sorry to "piss" you off but the ITAC made its mind up against the 944, not just Joe Harlan..... Spend your Nissan money wisely
 
Touche' Joe and company......... Looks like the 944 was effectivly killed off per the march fastrack


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But thats not what you said Fred...You took the shot right at me.
..and trust me if I prep a 944 to the full letter of the rules it will run at the pointy end of the grid in any grid you choose because I am that good, and the car is classed correctly....You could have just as easily shared your disappointment without even mentioning my name.

Edit: you really don't give up do you....I missed it the first time but to make a comment like I get paid from Nissan is just complete bullshit its funny at first I thought you were just a whiner but now I think your a punk....Nobody on the ITAC or the CRB was influenced by anything other than the making of a good case for this car to stay where it is...I made that case cause its the truth and nothing more. If I have offended you with any of my current or previous statements that was the exact intent and I am not sorry for that....



Again have a nice day.
 
Did the ITAC/CRB state that the car will never ever ever be considered again for move, or did it state that no changes will be made right now? Seems to me that it said neither of the above, exactly - but many here seem to be interpreting it as the former.

While I do wonder whether or not the car can a) make weight, and B) be competitive at that weight, even as a Porsche racer (among maybe half of the people on this thread) I have to admit that there is little lost by keeping with the status quo, giving this situation more time to sort itself out. Those 944 racers who want to be competitive and aren't willing to change and run a different car - they've mostly already left anyway.

This isn't Prod, and I for one don't want it to be! I find the idea of comp adjustments yearly to be a bit absurd! I do think it takes longer than a year to respond to such a change, and thus to see the benefit. Add on the fact that so many of those competitive cars are running elsewhere (or parked to run 944S's)... why not revisit this in another year?? The risks still outweigh the benefits, FOR NOW...

I know a number of 944 ITS racers. They're not out of options yet, in driver development as well as car development.
 
Jake, please I know you get your kicks trying to twist my words but stop or resign please. I tire of have you try to justify a poor position by twisting peoples words, you are clearly not objective enough to serve on this committee and you should just quit. you can beg to differ all day long but beg to differ with someone else. This thread required no further input from you as an ITAC memeber. MY Alphin made a direct statement at me and I even tried hard to avoid responding to it. The only reason you responded was to have a go at me and I am tired of it. Again clearly you casnnot seperate yourself from your own emotions and you should resign.

Thanks for your cooperation on this matter, have a nice day
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Joe, common sense tells me to drop this issue.

(Laughing) sometmes I guess common sense gets ignored.

I reread my comments, and yours, where you said the 944 would return to promonence once the overdog E36 was gone. I differed, stating that the E36 wasn't an overog, and that I just don't think it's that black and white.

You've called for my resignation. Not happening.

However, I strongly suggest that you copy and paste your comments into a letter to the CRB, and include a link to this thread. If the CRB (my bosses) feel I am as defective as you say, and request my resignation, I will of course find better places to spend time ....

Really Joe, it doesn't take long to cut and paste an email together.
 
Joe, common sense tells me to drop this issue.

(Laughing) sometmes I guess common sense gets ignored.

I reread my comments, and yours, where you said the 944 would return to promonence once the overdog E36 was gone. I differed, stating that the E36 wasn't an overog, and that I just don't think it's that black and white.

You've called for my resignation. Not happening.

However, I strongly suggest that you copy and paste your comments into a letter to the CRB, and include a link to this thread. If the CRB (my bosses) feel I am as defective as you say, and request my resignation, I will of course find better places to spend time ....

Really Joe, it doesn't take long to cut and paste an email together.
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Jake I don't need to cut and paste. The letter is sitting in my draft box and will likely be sent. I don't believe you are objective enough to do the job...Nothing personal.
 
Hey Joe, How bout you wait just long enough ( on that letter you have in your draft box ) for my request to have the 240 moved up to ITS or weight added, give Jake another shot at pissing on your parade
 
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