Beetle in ITC
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What?
I am aware that our motors are similar. However, legal replacement heads for my motor are easy to come by.
I'm out for a while, this is getting tiresome.
I thought everyone knew that it is the hamsters that are mostly dark meat.
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Daryl DeArman
When an engine blows in the car I'm driving or the guy's in front of me, I can disengage the clutch, steer, and brake. When a wheel leaves front of the car, I can neither steer, brake, nor does it do any good to declutch, I can hold on and pray. Now if you guys want to make some farfetched comparisom to the two events in order to degrade my request, have a ball, but don't expect too much respect for your abilities to compare apples to apples. And I know, "I don't know the difference between a power steering pump and a power brake servo," but at least I can admit a mistake when I make it.
GRJ
[This message has been edited by grjones1 (edited August 08, 2004).]
Catch22
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I like Hershey Bars... With almonds.
Now those "Symphony" bars... Absolute heaven. And I'm really not much of a dessert or sweets kind of guy. But chocolate and almonds just harmonize. Hmmmmm. I wish I had one now.
PS - Hamsters taste like frogs, which taste like snake, which tastes like chicken.
Now those "Symphony" bars... Absolute heaven. And I'm really not much of a dessert or sweets kind of guy. But chocolate and almonds just harmonize. Hmmmmm. I wish I had one now.
PS - Hamsters taste like frogs, which taste like snake, which tastes like chicken.
GR.
If the hubs are a saftey concern to you, change them to a stronger design. Sure, some total utz could protest you, and prehaps win, but saftey is more important than ANY win, and if you feel it is that much of a saftey concert.
Just Do It.
Some IT VW's have used Golf hubs for quite a while.. Or modified escort hubs.
Alan
If the hubs are a saftey concern to you, change them to a stronger design. Sure, some total utz could protest you, and prehaps win, but saftey is more important than ANY win, and if you feel it is that much of a saftey concert.
Just Do It.
Some IT VW's have used Golf hubs for quite a while.. Or modified escort hubs.
Alan
planet6racing
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Um, guys, the Saturn hubs are not a HD design. While they last a little longer than the front hubs, I always have a spare set with me ready to go.
I'd get into the design problems and all that for them, but it's not really relevant.
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
I'd get into the design problems and all that for them, but it's not really relevant.
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Bill
Planet 6 Racing
bill (at) planet6racing (dot) com
Joe Craven
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In regards to the A1 VW, I've witnessed a brand new high quality hub break on it's first weekend of use. I've personally had a hub break and I went straight into a wall at 80mph and totalled the car. It wasn't even my car, I was driving a stint in a short enduro race! It's a safety issue, and I'm beginning to see alternative reasons why spec racing classes can be popular.
The hubs are a safety issue, much like parts on other cars. If you all keep pushing for global rule changes affecting all cars, I don't think we can ever reach consensus. Model specific rules should be simpler to implement.
The future of IT is at stake here. If the sanctioning body doesn't want to address safety, reliability, parts availability, competitiveness, etc. etc. etc., then the classes will die. If the solution is - don't race the car because of the reasons listed in this thread, then we have to make a choice. The choices we make probably won't bode well for the future of the class when we have little input as to improvements, only to be told to build a different car.
Joe Craven
Capri ITB/PS3/E3
Capri ITA/DSP/E2/PS2
A1 VW ITB/VW Cup/E2 - still has legal hubs which haven't broken yet due to constant maintenance.
The hubs are a safety issue, much like parts on other cars. If you all keep pushing for global rule changes affecting all cars, I don't think we can ever reach consensus. Model specific rules should be simpler to implement.
The future of IT is at stake here. If the sanctioning body doesn't want to address safety, reliability, parts availability, competitiveness, etc. etc. etc., then the classes will die. If the solution is - don't race the car because of the reasons listed in this thread, then we have to make a choice. The choices we make probably won't bode well for the future of the class when we have little input as to improvements, only to be told to build a different car.
Joe Craven
Capri ITB/PS3/E3
Capri ITA/DSP/E2/PS2
A1 VW ITB/VW Cup/E2 - still has legal hubs which haven't broken yet due to constant maintenance.
Wow Joe.
I drove a pretty fast full on A1 in B for several years. Never had a failure. I did do maintainance, about every 10 weekends we put new hubs and bearings in.
You might contact Chris Albin and see if he can offer some suggestions. He was the brains behind my rabbit. I know that we did look at casting very closely, because some had stress risers right where they would break, and we tigthed the big nuts a bit more than the manual and checked them religiously (like tire pressure and lug torque).
Alan
I drove a pretty fast full on A1 in B for several years. Never had a failure. I did do maintainance, about every 10 weekends we put new hubs and bearings in.
You might contact Chris Albin and see if he can offer some suggestions. He was the brains behind my rabbit. I know that we did look at casting very closely, because some had stress risers right where they would break, and we tigthed the big nuts a bit more than the manual and checked them religiously (like tire pressure and lug torque).
Alan
Excuse me, Joe.
Ony,
If a "brand new high quality hub" breaks in its first weekend of use, how could it be a maintenance issue? I know, "if the bearing were improperly installed," but I'm sure Joe knows how to install a bearing, and this kind of thing happens quite frequently.
GRJ
Peter Olivola
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I get the feeling this is about one post away from degenerating into a Monty Python routine.
I should have attached my sig. I have Escorts and the hubs are a PITA even for the street car. Seems once you kill the factory one you are doomed. And NHIS kills the right front anyway, although I got a good number of races out of mine, Tim was not so lucky. We bought a press but still tend to have the dealer do them as they will replace the part if it fails quickly (and not on the track)
As you mentioned VWs use Escort hubs, and then you mentioned good German hubs, I am wondering if logic will allow my Escort to use them as well with modification. *For the car that doesn't see the track!*
I'd email you but don't have your addy, sorry for the OT post, we just did one hub last week and I've been watching the other side (replaced last year) since spring. How "non-car people" drive cars with bad parts for so long is beyond me!
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Joe Craven
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GRJ is right, if it breaks in the first weekend then it isn't a maintenance issue.
I've seen this car/driver break hubs more frequently than even my aggressive personal maintenance interval. These are top quality German hubs (name starts with an L) installed by a German specialist shop who I also use for my own hubs. I've never broken a hub in a car I own and I change the hubs and bearings pretty regularly. That same shop does the work so they have never made a mistake on my car. BTW, I know that all of us (in the GTI Cup) have been really keeping our front hub bearings very very tight.
BTW, I have a few theories on this. One is that there can be minor defects in brand new hubs. The hubs are probably stressed beyond their original designed capabilities so any inclusion or other defects will make them fail much faster. One other theory is that less experienced drivers put more stress on these hubs. The cars are usually setup to understeer and they occasionally enter turns too fast which results in front end plowing and they have more off road excursions and berm bouncing which put more stress on the hubs.
BTW, we do a lot of enduro racing and find that we can definitely break a perfectly installed, best quality hub within 12 hours on Toyo tires.
I've seen this car/driver break hubs more frequently than even my aggressive personal maintenance interval. These are top quality German hubs (name starts with an L) installed by a German specialist shop who I also use for my own hubs. I've never broken a hub in a car I own and I change the hubs and bearings pretty regularly. That same shop does the work so they have never made a mistake on my car. BTW, I know that all of us (in the GTI Cup) have been really keeping our front hub bearings very very tight.
BTW, I have a few theories on this. One is that there can be minor defects in brand new hubs. The hubs are probably stressed beyond their original designed capabilities so any inclusion or other defects will make them fail much faster. One other theory is that less experienced drivers put more stress on these hubs. The cars are usually setup to understeer and they occasionally enter turns too fast which results in front end plowing and they have more off road excursions and berm bouncing which put more stress on the hubs.
BTW, we do a lot of enduro racing and find that we can definitely break a perfectly installed, best quality hub within 12 hours on Toyo tires.