Insurance
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lateapex911
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Yea, but if you put those grid girls pics ....(Not ONE thanks from ANY of you?? For shame!...trying to brighten up the place, I am...) ....up on the Prod site, half the old geezers would topple over...
Hey...that gives me an idea that might just solve the "too many prod classes" problem.....
Hey...that gives me an idea that might just solve the "too many prod classes" problem.....
RSTPerformance
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Maybe SCCA new Jake was going to do this, thus new that the Road Racing group got charged for the insurance???
Only thing is though, I don't think he can convince any of that type to come to the track with him...
Thank you Jake though for bouncing us off topic, certanly more fun!!!
Raymond "crap I am going to get slamed for this one" Blethen
PS: Maybe I should be in Prod, with my reliability... hummmm
lateapex911
Super Moderator
Only thing is though, I don't think he can convince any of that type to come to the track with him...
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It's not a question of me being able to get any of that type to come to the track with me....
it's a question of am I dumb enough to bring any of that type to the track with me......
Yep...several years ago, I believe it was in SF region, but I might be wrong, there was an incident involving a Solo driver and a passenger in a "fun run". Both had on Snell and DOT helmets that were legal at the time. Short story...stuck throttle and low tree branch. This was well after the inclusion of Solo Safety Steward program that insured as safe a course as could be imagined. The following year, the helmet regulations were changed and the entry fees went up to compensate for the increased insurance fees due to the loss of life. To my knowledge, nothing nearly as severe has happened since.
Can't answer that one, but maybe why the big push to have everyone in the general vicinity of an event sign a waiver. I know there's a need, but it's gotten absolutely ridiculous to perform. It can turn a spectator that might have become an entrant into an alienated passerby. The only reason I can see for it, is due to the easier access of a bystander to a dangerous area as opposed to a road racing course.
Bill Miller
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Yea, but if you put those grid girls pics ....(Not ONE thanks from ANY of you?? For shame!...trying to brighten up the place, I am...) ....up on the Prod site, half the old geezers would topple over...
Hey...that gives me an idea that might just solve the "too many prod classes" problem.....
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Watch it bucko! :026:
I'll just make a closing statement because I got confirmation of what's going on from an employee and I was balls on dead correct. Club racing pays for all the liability for both pro and every other aspect of SCCA events. Believe what you want. What pissed me off more than anything else is that I found out something else recently. Took me a few weeks to confirm it was true because some guy I didn't know contacted me out of the blue, but get this. The Fran Am deal? There is NO non-disclosure or confidentialtiy agreement. I got documents, transcripts, written and verbal evidence with absolutely no reprisal fears from the "other side" of the suit. The "confidentiality" agreement is a self imposed silence by the BoD to cover up what they did and what it cost the club. What a bunch of crooks!
Keep electing them boys. They only serve other areas of the club to get your money. Keep it secret and the racers will keep giving us their money which we can use on solo and other areas (we pay the liability for pro too) to protect the vote and keep getting re-elected. Smell the coffee you dumb fuc&s and stop with the rah rah SCCA. They're criminals! I actually think there have been a number of felonies comitted regarding false disclosure by a fiuciary. Get these fools and losers out of the club. Reject the worker and official vote. Get rid of solo and the rest of the non-racing crap that makes FAT LAZY TOO BROKE TO GO RACING OFFICIALS happy and respected. Road racing is WAY succesful on its own. Stick with the current plan and it will be broke in 48 months. Your choice.
Keep electing them boys. They only serve other areas of the club to get your money. Keep it secret and the racers will keep giving us their money which we can use on solo and other areas (we pay the liability for pro too) to protect the vote and keep getting re-elected. Smell the coffee you dumb fuc&s and stop with the rah rah SCCA. They're criminals! I actually think there have been a number of felonies comitted regarding false disclosure by a fiuciary. Get these fools and losers out of the club. Reject the worker and official vote. Get rid of solo and the rest of the non-racing crap that makes FAT LAZY TOO BROKE TO GO RACING OFFICIALS happy and respected. Road racing is WAY succesful on its own. Stick with the current plan and it will be broke in 48 months. Your choice.
RSTPerformance
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nice nice...
you have my next vote mattassbergRaymond "I think I will go to an Autocross next year, and get my money's worth... then I wont have any reason to be upset... and I will be able to move on with life " Blethen
Your claims of doom and gloom would be more believable if you hadn't said3 years ago that the club would be out of business in 2 years. Of course on a positive note, things are getting better, we went from 2 years to 4 before the sky falls.
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Where and when did I say that? I may have said we would experience financial difficulties in two years, which we are currently, but never said it would be gone by 2006.
I do think that four more years may be optimistic. The only financials I got through my requests to the club were a late filed tax return for 2004 (TY 2003) which had us with $32,000 COH. That's awfully close to the edge considering the Topeka payroll and fifteen years of declining revenues and cash flow. So far, they haven't produced 2004 or 2005 numbers which they had promised me and to which I am entitled under federal statute. Breaking the law doesn't seem to bother the BoD. They think they're untouchables and can do whatever they want. Time to send a couple of them to jail. Start with Joanne Jensen. I think a civil suit against her for losing $600,000 of club racing money is a good start. Oh wait... I hear she's running for the BoD again and is expected to win. Then she can cover everything up. Oh yea.. and then continue subsidizing her solo friends and officials' parties and meetings. Who do you think is electing her? Road racers who got burned for $600,000? Wake up and smell the coffee.
I know the Runoffs don't mean much to IT as they aren't included (should be) but it is the cash cow for the club. They moved it to Topeka to save money on staff travel and lodging. Why then did they move the convention to Austin? I've been told that officials said Topeka was too cold. They didn't have any problem putting club racers in 29 degree 40 MPH wind weather and then schedule it for the same time next year after the total weather disaster. Take your most important event and fu$k it up and then do it again? Why? And why can't we schedule it earlier? OHHHHHH... that would take thunder away from the solo nationals. Can't do that. The why do it? YOU GUYS let them do this and they know it. $1.2 million in meetings and official and director expenses. Keep it up guys. You all get your NASA licenses? PCA? BMW? We're getting raped and you guys rah rah their efforts as altruistic volunteers. They're law breaking scumbags who use our money to feel like important people in their otherwise boring lives. Four years? Yea... I think that's optimistic.
***They didn't have any problem putting club racers in 29 degree ***
Come on Matt, which day was it 29* ? I was there for 12 days & there were NO 29* days. Are you correct with you other supposed FACTS ? I hate to say this Matt but I will anyway. Print facts or stay home with all the other little dogs. That FRIEND was a challenge, print the FranAm facts or under the porch. You know what hey say, all show & no go.
You will never be elected BoD or selected to the CRB so spend some of the money you would have used during time at one of those positions towards putting one of your so called crooks to the test in court.
Happy Holidays to one & ALL
David
Come on Matt, which day was it 29* ? I was there for 12 days & there were NO 29* days. Are you correct with you other supposed FACTS ? I hate to say this Matt but I will anyway. Print facts or stay home with all the other little dogs. That FRIEND was a challenge, print the FranAm facts or under the porch. You know what hey say, all show & no go.
You will never be elected BoD or selected to the CRB so spend some of the money you would have used during time at one of those positions towards putting one of your so called crooks to the test in court.
Happy Holidays to one & ALL
David
David - he's a noisy do-nothing. Always has been...always will be. Incredible capacity for 'self-parody'. Nearly two years ago, he stated, in simple declarative terms, that he was going to run for a BOD position (see below):
Never happened. Never lifted a finger. He's happy to tell us all how to live our lives, but other than Internet gas-bagery, he offers nothing. Even claims to have Fran-Am case documents proving the wrongdoing that he has just danced around for several years, and claimed that they're not subject to any non-disclosure agreements (see current Prod site threads), and EVEN had a free offer for someplace to host them, for all of us to see (thank you Mr. Harlan). We'd all REALLY like to see them, since it might give him some credibility (which he's been sorely lacking for a long time) and point us toward better club governance...but no..."nothing here to see...just move along, folks...".
Sometimes I think that he's just the SCCA version of an automated conspiracy generator, like this: http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/conspiracy.html
Like I've said before..."The gift that keeps on giving".
Never happened. Never lifted a finger. He's happy to tell us all how to live our lives, but other than Internet gas-bagery, he offers nothing. Even claims to have Fran-Am case documents proving the wrongdoing that he has just danced around for several years, and claimed that they're not subject to any non-disclosure agreements (see current Prod site threads), and EVEN had a free offer for someplace to host them, for all of us to see (thank you Mr. Harlan). We'd all REALLY like to see them, since it might give him some credibility (which he's been sorely lacking for a long time) and point us toward better club governance...but no..."nothing here to see...just move along, folks...".
Sometimes I think that he's just the SCCA version of an automated conspiracy generator, like this: http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/conspiracy.html
Like I've said before..."The gift that keeps on giving".
