September 2011 Fastrack

Knestis said:
Too many of the problems we've run into in the past 10 years in IT have been grounded in assumptions about what "sensible people" will do. That isn't what pushes the state of the art.
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What he said. Nobody will do it and then think logarithmic growth from that point until everyone does it.
 
the Zen book of IT maintenance....

says rules creep will kill the soul of a class.

More and more, classified cars will only come with power steering.
If it's a hydraulic system, under-drive the pump (w/allowed pulley) and enjoy! This is an entry-level class with limited modifications.
(if it's a VW w/electric, you can change the assist by going into data blocks w/VAG)
Power steering is a good thing.
What's simplest works best.
Be aware of your breathing.
Feel the weight of your body on the chair.
Relax. Find your center.
Now....... let's go racing and forget these foolish distractions.
 
pfcs said:
says rules creep will kill the soul of a class.
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But Phil, rule creep is the natural way of things. We've been doing it that way for years. You can't stop it. Look at Production, GT, and SS. Even the Miata's are catching on.

Give in. Let it go. You'll feel better...with some new rules.
 
Cars change. We have things now that didn't exist in the days when IT was thought up. Rules have to adapt.

I get that we need to make allowances for changing technology.

In this case, I'm not sure we need a significant change. IT has always been a class of warts and all. Rabbits break hubs, but everyone doesn't get free hubs. Nissans break dist drive gears, but again, we don't allow the entire class to change to different dist drive gears. Some cars puke PS fluids, but it seems like the vast majority can resolve the issue within the current ruleset.
 
JoshS said:
Register me as against the idea, I submitted my letter.

1) It would make people test multiple configurations that most don't have to test right now -- expensive
2) It's clearly rules creep
3) People exploiting a gray area (alternate fake pulleys) is not excuse for creep. Close down the gray area instead.
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Agreed 100 %. And I still think #3 is illegal.
 
Sounds like there are some different opinions on the PS disabling proposal.

If you have an opinion, share it with the ITAC via the CRB letter submission link at scca.com.

I sent mine in opposing the disabling of PS systems. I see this as more creep than anything, especially since allowances to slow (not stop - that is illegal) the PS pump and change the lines should address most issues with running a PS system.
 
Bill Miller said:
That's pretty ironic Andy.
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It's actually not Bill. Changing the the functional design of two items there is no allowance for is simply NOT the same as adding a rubber hose to a 'free' part to make it work. One IS the Roffe rule and one isn't.

But there seems to be enough people who think that pulleys are 'free' to clarify the rule.
 
Matt93SE said:
fixed. :dead_horse:
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LOL :happy204:

Greg Amy said:
What response did you get when you wrote to the CRB and to your BoD rep to express your displeasure with that ruling? Could you send me a copy of that response?

Greg
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smart ass


Ron Earp said:
On the other hand, we have inequity in the class now. Folks driving cars that have power and non-power rack options get to choose which one they feel is more advantageous. This is not a parameter that is figured in the IT classification process but in some instances can have an impact on performance. At least having a "deactivation" allowance would somewhat level the field.
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I bet the factory hp number comes from a car that didn't have the optional P/S.

DavidM said:
I like my power steering. What I don't like is all the damn leaks and crappy pumps that come with a Nissan power steering system. I'd probably try looping the rack to see how it felt just to make my engine bay and garage floor look better.
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seriously
 
Andy Bettencourt said:
It's actually not Bill. Changing the the functional design of two items there is no allowance for is simply NOT the same as adding a rubber hose to a 'free' part to make it work. One IS the Roffe rule and one isn't.

But there seems to be enough people who think that pulleys are 'free' to clarify the rule.
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We will continue to agree to disagree on that one Andy. There was never anything that said you could add a vacuum line to an ECU. That's pretty much the Roffe rule.
 
Bill Miller said:
There was never anything that said you could add a vacuum line to an ECU. That's pretty much the Roffe rule.
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Exactly. ECU's are open. If the one you choose has an on-board MAP sensor, you can connect it. (Past rules without sensor limitations). But not sure why you feel the need to rehash. Pulleys are NOT free.
 
YOu don't need to loop the lines if you freewheel the pulley is my understanding.

Oh yeah, it doesn't say any. It says alternate. Which means the same thing. Forgot about that....

Andy Bettencourt said:
LOL. Doesn't say that bro.

AND, I was thinking about this the other day...IF you freewheel your pulley based on this interpretation, what rule allows you to disconnect and loop the lines?
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JeffYoung said:
YOu don't need to loop the lines if you freewheel the pulley is my understanding.

Oh yeah, it doesn't say any. It says alternate. Which means the same thing. Forgot about that....
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What would happen if the PS belt broke? In my experience, cars don't turn because the fluid is still trying to go through the rack and the PS pump but since the pump isn't working, you have no smooth flow. Right? In order to have this work, you actually have to bypass the pump, no?

Alternate DOES mean the same thing, except when it's suceeded with 2 clarifications. 'An alternate pulley of different material and diameter'. Nothing else. :) You don't add 2 qualifications if you meant for it to be anything more.
 
Recommended rewording for the power steering pulley rule:

Manual or power steering racks may be used. Power steering racks may be converted to manual by removing all power steering components.
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GA
 
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