September 2011 Fastrack

Andy Bettencourt said:
If we are talking IT, no freaking way. If we are talking ST, do whatever you want!
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That's the SM rule, where "tech shed legal" reigns. Has it ever happened?

But, yer missin' the point: whether you agree about the PS pulley rule or not, change the whole basis around it and all the belly-achin' goes away. Wasting time trying to close a loophole on a pretty-much-insignificant part (there are SO many other ways to get around it for less effort) is just pissin' in the wind.

Andy, you're in more dire need of a good sprint race than any white man in history... ;) Go snag a Flatout Miata and have some fun at NHMS in a couple weeks!

GA
 
Greg Amy said:
That's the SM rule, where "tech shed legal" reigns. Has it ever happened?

But, yer missin' the point: whether you agree about the PS pulley rule or not, change the whole basis around it and all the belly-achin' goes away. Wasting time trying to close a loophole on a pretty-much-insignificant part (there are SO many other ways to get around it for less effort) is just pissin' in the wind.

Andy, you're in more dire need of a good sprint race than any white man in history... ;) Go snag a Flatout Miata and have some fun at NHMS in a couple weeks!

GA
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So you would rather open up steering racks to 'free' than de-gray a pulley rule? You are spending too much time on ST con-calls! :D

And yes, a race would be nice. Just not into spending the money anymore. Sept 10-11 at NHMS in the S2000 is a soft 'maybe'.
 
Andy Bettencourt said:
So you would rather open up steering racks to 'free' than de-gray a pulley rule?
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Nooooooo....you remember YOU were the one that intorturated that Spec Miata rule, not me. I hadn't even thought of it (or would even consider doing it. Absolutely NO advantage in it, especially given you can't change the tie rods or steering column to do it. Thus the "so what?") I want to get rid of the whole P/S issue entirely, and easily.

Go race.
 
Greg Amy said:
Nooooooo....you remember YOU were the one that intorturated that Spec Miata rule, not me. I hadn't even thought of it (or would even consider doing it. Absolutely NO advantage in it, especially given you can't change the tie rods or steering column to do it. Thus the "so what?") I want to get rid of the whole P/S issue entirely, and easily.

Go race.
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I have NO IDEA what you are talking about on a Spec Miata rule. I think you are getting me confused with someone else. I don't even know what you meant in your post about 'tech-shed' legal and what it pertained to?
 
Andy Bettencourt said:
Exactly. ECU's are open. If the one you choose has an on-board MAP sensor, you can connect it. (Past rules without sensor limitations). But not sure why you feel the need to rehash. Pulleys are NOT free.
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I think Bill was referring to the era when ECUs were only free within the confines of the OEM ECU enclosure. You could connect to any sensor on that ECU that you want, as long as you did it wholly within the enclosure.
 
Eagle7 said:
I think Bill was referring to the era when ECUs were only free within the confines of the OEM ECU enclosure. You could connect to any sensor on that ECU that you want, as long as you did it wholly within the enclosure.
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So do you see a difference between a vacuum line and an electrical connection provided the case was not modified? I didn't. Hence the debate.
 
Greg Amy said:
The power steering rule above that you didn't like, the one that you said opened it up to "any" rack, is a copy-paste, verbatim from the Spec Miata regs... - GA
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It opened it up - in Improved Touring - if you used those words exactly. The words have obvious meaning when sitting inside the SM ruleset given the rules and published intent of that class.

My point was that you CAN'T use those words because they mean something different when you use them in IT. I never applied the rule to SM in this thread.
 
Andy Bettencourt said:
So do you see a difference between a vacuum line and an electrical connection provided the case was not modified? I didn't. Hence the debate.
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Nope. Don't think you could bring extra wires inside the case either. But I'm not interested in debating. It's ancient history now.
 
"ITC
1. #5398 (Jeff Janoska) Please reweight 84-86 CRX in accordance with The Process
We will be evaluating ITC as a whole in the near future."

Oh fudge.
 
Andy Bettencourt said:
What would happen if the PS belt broke? In my experience, cars don't turn because the fluid is still trying to go through the rack and the PS pump but since the pump isn't working, you have no smooth flow. Right? In order to have this work, you actually have to bypass the pump, no?

Alternate DOES mean the same thing, except when it's suceeded with 2 clarifications. 'An alternate pulley of different material and diameter'. Nothing else. :) You don't add 2 qualifications if you meant for it to be anything more.
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You are paraphrasing...

Andy Bettencourt said:
If we are talking IT, no freaking way. If we are talking ST, do whatever you want!
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Only if the allow JDM engines Yo! :dead_horse:
 
I just read the ITCS again... My bad, I thought that line was two sentences :/

I also compared the wording of that rule to others regarding things that are "open" such as exhaust, differential, FD gear, radiator, etc. The wording of these other rules is very different. I'm going to have to side with Andy on this one.

unless the pulley is made of air... :D However, it appears as though you'd have to figure out a way to still use the stock length accessory belt. LOL

speaking of accessory belt lengths... I didn't see a rule regarding removing the A/C system. What if your car wasn't offered w/o A/C?
 
erlrich said:
Of interest - under "What do you think?"
  • "Member input is requested on whether an allowance should be made to permit disabling power steering assistance on IT cars, including allowing the fluid lines to be looped if desired."
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This makes sense to me. Having had a power steering belt go on the track, and in the process take out the alt/water pump belt at the same time, this is worthwhile for reliability. (E30 BMW) Also ditching the power steering is one less thing to leak fluids on the track.
 
Who do we write with respect to the IT-poll on Power Steering? I'm on the SCCA site looking at the committees but I swear I could remember a letter tracking system, I just can't find it.
 
Knestis said:
It's in line right after ITB, I hope.

K
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One would hope that rather than bringing ITC in line with The Process, The Process will be brought in line with ITC.

If it's fixing the formula, then there is a reason to wait. If it's not that, then no weight.
 
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