Short Shifters in ITS

Originally posted by lateapex911:
Final thought on short shift kits...they are not all equal. Some actually have levers that are the smae length as stock, or even longer. But the fulcrum to shift rod distance is always changed, and someties lots of other things as well. You can get about a bushel of different model SS kits for a 911. Some are nearly $1000.

So, to those in favor of a rule change allowing a short shift kit, please write the rule allowing it for us.....

Keep in mind the definition of what constitutes a "SS kit" is key.
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As usual, a most excellent observation Jake. While I love short shifters and generally think of them as innocuous in terms of performance, I think defining them would be a nightmare.

Thanks for the insightful observation.


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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
 
I personally think that short-shift kits are fine. I hate rules creep as much or more than anyone else, but short-shifters are usually pretty cheap and the gain is really more in feel than speed.

The reason I would allow them is just because a lot of stock shifters can be so vague. For instance, in my street Audi, the stock shifter was very soft, and the milled aluminum aftermarket piece was much more precise. Same on my old Rabbit. Which means less missed shifts to me. Which means less gear grinding and over-revving. Which might just mean longer tranny or engine life. I don't have one on my ITS car, but I would buy one in a second if it was legal.

jpd
 
Which means less missed shifts to me. Which means less gear grinding and over-revving. Which might just mean longer tranny or engine life. I don't have one on my ITS car, but I would buy one in a second if it was legal.

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This is why I lobblied the crb to allow the short shifters in IT. Keep an eye on fast track. Next I'll try to lobby for the removal of any electronics the will fit into a factory ecu.
dj
 
And the trend continues...

Makes me wonder if I am the only person still the only person struggling through the sloppy OEM shifter assembly...

http://home.earthlink.net/~frbrett/

At 13 straight wins and no protests I guess no one cares.

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I hear that. Makes me think I am in the wrong type of racing. I'm trying to build a legal car - but all I see are cars for sale with lots of illegal parts.

Best one I've seen are the two BMWs for sale, lots of illegal stuff. Then the Honda with the "liberated" flywheel, lots of short shifters, etc.

Makes on wonder, why bother?

Maybe I should just go race production. People like to tell me that or hint and putting the JH there anyhow.

R

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Ron Earp
NC Region
Ford Lightning
RF GT40 Replica
White Jensen-Healey ITS
Silver "Skull" 260Z ITS
Email: "rlearp at gt40s.com"
 
Nevermind.

I started to say something, but then realized I was thinking of a different car.


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Ty Till
#16 ITS
Rocky Mountain Division
 
Ya gotta do what we all do Ron, police your own patch. Many cars are illegal for a variety of reasons - all of which have been touched on by many on this board. I've said it before and I'll say it again, *I* believe the vast majority of cheaters to be in the mid-pack without the knowledge that they have a lack of equipment or skill - or both.

FWIW, that Integra has been for sale for over a year. Maybe it's the BUYERS that are getting some religion...

AB

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Andy Bettencourt
New England Region, R188967
www.flatout-motorsports.com
 
Originally posted by rlearp:
I hear that. Makes me think I am in the wrong type of racing. I'm trying to build a legal car - but all I see are cars for sale with lots of illegal parts.

Best one I've seen are the two BMWs for sale, lots of illegal stuff. Then the Honda with the "liberated" flywheel, lots of short shifters, etc.

Makes on wonder, why bother?

Maybe I should just go race production. People like to tell me that or hint and putting the JH there anyhow.

R
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Ron,

We'd love to have you in production! In production, you don't have to worry about a lot of the petty stuff (washer bottles, illegal camshafts, short shifters, etc.). All that stuff is OK in production. And you can race both regionals and nationals.

I raced ITC for years, but I'm having a lot more fun in GP for a variety of reasons. ITC was a great place to start and learn how to race, but there's nothing like the feel of real racing slicks, and a real racing transmission. Some folks pooh-pooh the competition in the production classes, but believe me at the national level I have to get after it just as hard I ever did in ITC to stay at the front.

That JH of yours is one of "the" cars to race in E-Production BTW...

MC

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Mark Coffin
#14 GP BSI Racing/Action Digital/Airborn Coatings/Krispy Kreme VW Scirocco

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Mark,

I'm sure you didn't mean to say that illegal cams (or anything else illegal) are ok in Prod.
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MARRS #25 ITB Rabbit GTI (sold) | MARRS #25 HProd Rabbit
SCCA 279608
 
Originally posted by Bill Miller:
Mark,

I'm sure you didn't mean to say that illegal cams (or anything else illegal) are ok in Prod.
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I guess what I meant was that in prod you are not limited to stock camshafts, but you're right, you are limited to certain camshaft lifts in some production cars (limited prep). It makes the policing of camshafts much simpler, no need for a cam doctor to compare cam profiles to stock cams. Simply measure the lift and compare to the spec.

MC

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Mark Coffin
#14 GP BSI Racing/Action Digital/Airborn Coatings/Krispy Kreme VW Scirocco

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