Street tires in IT??

pfcs said:
IT got national recognition when:
1/ got ridiculously popular in 2 years
2/National realized it was a logical place for "old" Showroom Stock cars which aged out and in only 4 years became pretty much worthless.

Slightly ironic that a class that was to be the graveyard of another, is now having one prepared for it!
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Is there a reason you are here? If you hate IT so much and think its dead, and you're being told your fixes aren't going to happen/are pie in the sky/etc., then what's the point? What are you trying to prove, other than send me obnoxious PMs?
 
JeffYoung said:
Is there a reason you are here? If you hate IT so much and think its dead, and you're being told your fixes aren't going to happen/are pie in the sky/etc., then what's the point? What are you trying to prove, other than send me obnoxious PMs?
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If you got a PM from me, I'd love to know how! You must be confusing me with someone you hate! I don't send PMs and I don't drink!

As far as why I'm here? IT was my bliss for many years, I was a competitive driver in the class from it's inception until becoming a paraplegic in 1995 and raced extensively in the northeast as well as participating in "Volvos from Hell, the Tour" and racing coast to coast.
I built a hand-controlled A2 and raced it quite successfully for three years after I was injured, writing it off in open practice at ARRC, 2008?
I think that qualifies me to have an opinion, and I beg you to take off your gloves and look at it objectively.
I am not totally or even majorly "down" on IT-it's because I love it so much that I put in my two cents-take it or leave it, and PLEASE, don't discount my experience or treat me condescendingly and I'll do the same for you. This isn't the place for a pissing contest!!
I am posting to this thread because it brings up very pertinent issues to IT as it was envisioned as well as how it now exists. This thread's current popularity demonstrates that it is "topical" and as such, it is being discussed by the community I hope I'm allowed to still belong to. I believe that the "long" view, going back to it's origins (which in my time-frame isn't so long ago) is a valid reference point and is pertinent to the discussion. I think there are others in this community that appreciate where we came from and that where we have come to is not exactly Camelot!
This cheap tire deal brings up a lot of the culture of the old days of IT, and I can't think why being in this conversation might not bring forward and foster improvements, however they might occur.
So I hope this conversation continues without counterproductive rancor or disrespect, and I hope it fertilizes some minds and maybe, just maybe, something positive can come from it?
But then,maybe I'm just a pie-in-the-sky kinda guy!

PS: don't make me build another car_you wouldn't like that!
 
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pfcs said:
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PS: don't make me build another car_you wouldn't like that!
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Actually, Phil, knowing Ron he WOULD like it. He'd LOVE it! Ron works his butt off, and gets more done in a day than nearly anyone, and leaves no stone unturned. He's taken the road less traveled with his cars, and loves solid competition.

He would love you to come out, and bring your best.

(Hope I'm not out of line speaking for you Ron!LOL)
 
thanks for saying that, Jake

I certainly hope he's confused.
Checked my messages sent-most recent was 2010 and never one to Ron.
I followed his TR8 build with more than a little interest because I owned one til I got injured (it, my Lotus 7, and 2 sprites now are in former IT racer/Volvo From Hell/spridget racer Jeff Lanes Lane Motor Museum collection) and I have much interest and involvement in EFI matters, since both my IT cars needed (and got) tuning issues resolved int those areas. I think we'd get along just fine! (and wasn't it him that built the Jensen-Healy too?)
I think Jeff and I are both out-of-the-box problem solvers. That is a mixed blessing for IT cars but it is wonderful and stimulating for the developer, and was at least half of what I enjoy about the class.
People like me push the limits of the box called "rules".
And it is the responsibility of the "parents" (benign rulers?) to set good limits and not let the box get too big.
It's my belief the box is too big.
We need another box, but unfortunately, there's too many already!
What to do?
I wish they would have just let production racing die on the vine when it was almost dead. Then IT could have supplanted it, (after all-it's deja-vu all over again, isn't it? 1963-1983/2013) and we could have a sensible do-over with street tires and not have to get pissed about all these dumb boxes!
 
I think you folks are all confuzzled!

Ron; Mustang build thread, Jensen Healey, 260Z, not on ITAC.

Jeff; TR8, on ITAC.

I like building cars though, that much is correct and I do appreciate well-built machines both on and off track. At least half of the enjoyment of the hobby is solving problems and making things work.
 
the only thing I'm clear about....

....is confused.
Please, just indulge me.
Most times, I stay at the NJ home for the mentally enfeebled....
.....and they let me out sometimes........
when I won't stop talking rings and bearings.

And once again Jake, thanks for clearing that up for me!
 
Not tires, but same theory...

The Washington DC SSM group has done something interesting and has a large following. They use one shop to dyno cars, and have an established max HP amount. Too much? Gets detuned. Then engine is sealed. I know doing this on a large scale would be really difficult, but it's a pretty neat theory. Seems in large to work for them. If I were down there, I'd seriously consider it too.
 
My bad, yup! Thinking Jeff, writing Ron. What i said applies to jeff though. He DOES seem to fly all over the freakin world every week and still drag his car to the track. He's developed the shit out of a crusty old heap that EVERYbody told him was a waste of time and would never last a whole race or be fast, and he's done both.

And he LOVEs his class and IT to be full of entrants.

Sorry to Jeff/Ron dyslexic that, guys!!
 
My only question, were they both not in CT around the time you spun the parking lot booth when leaving with the enclosed trailer??? And we worry about the racecar costs. What about some sort of cap on transporting the car costs? :)
 
gran racing said:
My only question, were they both not in CT around the time you spun the parking lot booth when leaving with the enclosed trailer??? And we worry about the racecar costs. What about some sort of cap on transporting the car costs? :)
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Was a fun night! Great guys, wish they lived closer! Or vice versa
 
So I appear to have Phil Hunt mixed up with Flying Lizard -- Lizard's the one who took time out of his day to inform me I was ignorant, probably didn't race and shouldn't be on the ITAC. Sorry Phil, my apologies.

Yes, I think most cars in teh ITCS can be made competitive if you have the will, the time or the money, or a combination of the same. Jake, thanks for the props, but I fully admit that while it has plenty of disadvantages, the Turd8 has some advantages too.....

Dave, I think we met at dinner (with Dick Patullo?) that trip up to buy Jake's Porsche.
 
Feel free to beat us up and chat about our comparison run at Watkins Glen last weekend :)

2.8 seconds was the gap. lots of variables but certainly shows that you can still race and have fun on street tires! As others said, no comparison if your trying to fight for the win but if you get a few people to run them then I think you will have fun racing... which is what this is all about.

For us next year we are seriously thinking about running on street tires with a few others and racing in double the events by spending our tire bill on fuel and entries.

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Oh man! I will fix it in the am, sorry for the suspense! I am on my phone and can't figure it out!

Stephen

I fixed it... I think!
 
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Well done video, Stephen!!

I'm impressed. (If anything, the Hoosier had some traffic, though it also got a draft.)
Was that Dr Bro?(in the E36?)
 
The black BMW Directly in front is Mark Eksten and the white BMW is John Harrison. Doc was about 2 seconds ahead of us and won the race.

Stephen

The picture below is a few laps later on the last lap, last turn. Doc in front with the three of us exiting the second to last turn nose to tail. I have my lights on near the back trying to distract Mark the best I can :-) (this was a picture from the race NOT on street tires)

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