Time to write those letters - Head and Neck Restraints
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they must have updated the database. i had been getting misc. e-mails from them just a few weeks ago.
in fact, i just got another SportsCar this week..
i like the "currently" part.
i did just get this from Saferacer. apparently there is another certification body out there now in addition to SFI and FIA:
if i have to buy something in the future, it will not be a HANS. perhaps something from http://www.djsafety.com/:
in fact, i just got another SportsCar this week..
i like the "currently" part.
i did just get this from Saferacer. apparently there is another certification body out there now in addition to SFI and FIA:
if i have to buy something in the future, it will not be a HANS. perhaps something from http://www.djsafety.com/:
preparedcivic
New member
Even with a National License, no email received.......
Also, despite Def'N'der having been a major TDI Cup sponsor, and producing a very good device for 3+ years until Hubbard and Downing effectively sued them out of the business for the time being, not a peep in the SCCA PR about that particular SFI 38.1 piece. The one I own certainly has the appropriate sticker.......
Also, despite Def'N'der having been a major TDI Cup sponsor, and producing a very good device for 3+ years until Hubbard and Downing effectively sued them out of the business for the time being, not a peep in the SCCA PR about that particular SFI 38.1 piece. The one I own certainly has the appropriate sticker.......
Rabbit05
New member
hmmm...I was told that anything with a neck brace was a complete no-no like this : http://www.djsafety.com/.
In one conversation last year I said, "why not where a just neck brace?" It would keep the helmet form moving. That is what I wore while racing Karts...where your head IS the roll bar. I was told that would make things worse than wearing nothing...
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So great another ~$1000 in safety equip.. IMO ,it should be up to the competitor whether or not they want to wear one. And if you don't , sign a waiver to cover the legal jargen...and move on. Seems like a money making scheme to me... Cant wait till they make the roll cages have a shelf life too.
my 0.02...
In one conversation last year I said, "why not where a just neck brace?" It would keep the helmet form moving. That is what I wore while racing Karts...where your head IS the roll bar. I was told that would make things worse than wearing nothing...
??So great another ~$1000 in safety equip.. IMO ,it should be up to the competitor whether or not they want to wear one. And if you don't , sign a waiver to cover the legal jargen...and move on. Seems like a money making scheme to me... Cant wait till they make the roll cages have a shelf life too.
my 0.02...
dhardison
New member
Same here..... So, if I currently own a SFI 38.1 sticker'd HNR that's NOT on the list (i.e a DefNder), will it meet approval??
i think you are still good to go.
i think it may be that since the device is no longer available, they can't list that as an option.
regarding the DJ Safety device, this is still PENDING SFI certification. waiting for a test date/window and/or test results.
I was going to comment on this as well. there was some document floating around at the start of this year (might even be in this thread) that stated the defnder's 2010 SFI homologation was still valid for all current SFI38.1 requirements. I can't see how that wouldn't be true for 2012 as well. the list in this mail is of 2011 certified devices, which defnder did not apply for (on account of having stocks with 2010 stickers and the HANS people shuttering their factory. it's not necessarily going to play out cleanly at tech, so I think defnder owners should write to the nat office and request the defnder be added to that list the clarify its compliance before some beurocrat volunteer decides it's not allowed and make syou forfeit your weekend.
time to start those letters again!
i would point out that you specifically purchased the DefNder because you wanted to support a sponsor of that series and now they are not on the list?
Scrutineers, as part of your annual gear check, will be looking for the presence of an SFI or FIA stickers. If you've got one, you're good to go.
Someone wanna ring up Impact...? What, too soon...?
dhardison
New member
Some Googling found the following on apexperformance.net:
"Effective immediately, the DefNder is no longer being offered through the manufacturer. However, they will continue to offer support for replacement tethers and helmet hardware kits. The company has assured us that units in circulation are SFI approved and safe for use."
For whatever that's worth.............
Butch Kummer
New member
I hadn't thought about it until just now, but will we now see a rash of "tech only" H&N devices? I'm sure the guys on the Grid will not be checking for SFI 38.1 stickers, so you and your buddies get one "approved" device that ends up going through annual tech multiple times.
Back in the old days you had to have a copy of the current GCR - no requirement that you had actually read it, but you had to have one. Guys would go through tech, then walk outside the building and hand their "communal" GCR to their buddy waiting in line. The same book probably went through 20 tech inspections on a given evening!
Back in the old days you had to have a copy of the current GCR - no requirement that you had actually read it, but you had to have one. Guys would go through tech, then walk outside the building and hand their "communal" GCR to their buddy waiting in line. The same book probably went through 20 tech inspections on a given evening!
for IT Fest i had brought an old cheap neck donut. i meant to take a sharpie to it and scribble SFI 38.1 on it and wear while drinking beer but it was too hot.....
ditto.
pballance
New member
Just an FYI. Good friend of mine who is also a scrutineer forwarded the letter to me and I asked the same things about "other" SFI approved devices. Here is the response he got, today!:
From: Doug Gill [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:12 AM
To: XXXXXXXX
Cc: Janet Farwell
Subject: FW: Head and Neck Restraints January 1, 2012
Hi, XXXXZXZ,
Any HNR with an SFI or FIA certification is compliant.
This list was sent as an FYI and it’s not a rule or a complete list. I’d treat it the same way as helmets.
Hope this helps.
-Doug
Doug Gill
General Manager
SCCA Technical Services
1-800-770-2055
www.scca.com
From: Doug Gill [mailto
[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:12 AM
To: XXXXXXXX
Cc: Janet Farwell
Subject: FW: Head and Neck Restraints January 1, 2012
Hi, XXXXZXZ,
Any HNR with an SFI or FIA certification is compliant.
This list was sent as an FYI and it’s not a rule or a complete list. I’d treat it the same way as helmets.
Hope this helps.
-Doug
Doug Gill
General Manager
SCCA Technical Services
1-800-770-2055
www.scca.com
Cobrar05
New member
thsi is probably worth a mention. ive been using a hutchens hybrid. i love it, but the guys that i enduro race with all have hans and it would be easier for me if i had a hans.
i am perfectly happy with the hybrid and love safety solutions otherwise. if someone here is interested in buying a used hutchens hybrid, i'd sell this one and put the cash toward a hans. i am also buying a new helmet and once the that is done i will be sticking with hybrid if its still here.
if you are interesed in the hutchens, send me a pm
i am perfectly happy with the hybrid and love safety solutions otherwise. if someone here is interested in buying a used hutchens hybrid, i'd sell this one and put the cash toward a hans. i am also buying a new helmet and once the that is done i will be sticking with hybrid if its still here.
if you are interesed in the hutchens, send me a pm
Andy Bettencourt
Super Moderator
For rent, 1 R3 device. $20 per day.
LOL
I usually bleed SCCA but I HATE this rule. UNLESS someone is working behind the scenes to 'certify' none SFI/FIA stuff like the Issac, but I doubt it.
Can Dick post how the CRB voted? I want names.
LOL
I usually bleed SCCA but I HATE this rule. UNLESS someone is working behind the scenes to 'certify' none SFI/FIA stuff like the Issac, but I doubt it.
Can Dick post how the CRB voted? I want names.
dickita15
New member
There was no vote required of the CRB, this was a BOD only issue and those votes are recorded in fastrack. For the record the CRB has never voted to require H&N.
The email being circulated went to tech and stewards. I was told it will be sent to all drivers (maybe with some tweaking based on feedback) Monday or so.
The email being circulated went to tech and stewards. I was told it will be sent to all drivers (maybe with some tweaking based on feedback) Monday or so.
i find the highlighted folks to be odd. they vote in favor of the rule of recommending the use but not requiring the device and then vote against the motion that would have required a device that was not SFI but met the performance test (would have allowed the Isaac....)
dickita15
New member
As I have said before I firmly believe every director voted in the manner that they felt was best for the club. The second motion which would basically have SCCA making a determination on what devices had acceptable performance based on manufacturer supplied data. This motion scared the risk management more than the first one did. Something something separates us from the herd something something.