IT Festival at MO

Kevin,

You coming down this way again in the next couple of months? I have this cold one here waiting for you.

Dave :biggrinsanta:
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I sure am. Either February or April this year; haven't decided yet.

That schedule looks pretty cool to me. It seems like a lot of track time and it'll be interesting to see how the scoring system will work out.
 
Interesting thread.

For those of you who don't know me, here's part of the long, boring story of my SCCA life: I have dabbled in IT since the late 80's. Back then, when IT was young, I saw some inconsistencies in the rules and wrote the National Office about them. The result was that I was asked to serve on the newly-formed IT Ad Hoc Committee in 1990. I became Chairman of that committee in 1994. Later I moved to the AS Advisory Committee, then to the Comp Board (sorry, CRB) where I served for four years. I drove a few IT races in an ITA VW GTI (A2, 8-valve, they were in ITA back then) in 1991 and then purchased an ITC Rabbit which I raced a few times at IRP, Grattan, and the old Gateway in the mid 1990's. I have been an SCCA Club Racing steward since 1993. I've been Chief Steward for several Regionals and Nationals at IRP, Mid Ohio, and Gingerman. And I've been a Tech Steward and Operating Steward at the Runoffs. I say all of this not to impress you with my background or to imply that I have any special insight, only to suggest that I have some passing familiarity with the IT rules and with managing big events from an operations and rules enforcement perspective.

I think this IT Festival at Mid Ohio has merit. Mid Ohio is one of the premier tracks in the country and it presents some unique competitive challenges to the driver and set-up engineer. And, it's easy for an organizing region of a regional at Mid Ohio to look at the entry list (typically heavily weighted towards IT) along with the cost of racing at Mid Ohio and conclude that maybe an IT-centric event would draw more entries thus making the bottom line more palatable for the region.

I saw a couple of comments in this thread about this race counting for the Great Lakes Division/Area 4 Regional Championship Series. I believe the series rules require that series events include all series classes. An event which bars some classes from competing probably can't be part of the series.

I like the idea of creative formats, but I think the suggested race lengths may be a bit too long. The ITC lap record at Mid Ohio is a 1:48. Simple math says that a 45-minute race for those guys would be about 25 laps. That's 5 laps and 11 miles longer than the Runoffs races. For a race in August, I'd be a bit concerned about driver fatigue because I'm guessing most of you guys are not used to racing that long. But, if everybody knows this going in, then everybody's in the same boat.

Because this will be a Restricted Regional under the SCCA sanctioning rules, you can pretty much roll your own format. I like the idea of a couple of short qualifying sessions so that the guys new to the track have an opportunity to wash, rinse, repeat before things start getting serious. Follow those qualifying sessions with short races on Saturday. The finishing positions from the Saturday races could be used to set the grid for longer Sunday races.

How about an enduro to finish the weekend? There have been a few enduros run at Mid Ohio in the past, but it seems like they were always crammed into a regular Double Regional weekend. With the restricted event being considered, a 2- or 3-hour enduro would be possible.

Tech is obviously a big issue. From reading between the lines of what the Cincinnati people have posted here, it sounds like Tim and Bobbi Ross are supportive of this race from a Tech standpoint. They are both good, competetent Scrutineers and I trust their judgement. What made Runoffs Tech at Mid Ohio work was the big tent which provided plenty of space to do teardowns. There's one thing you have to consider about Tech--our rules and procedures don't normally allow for your competitors to know what you are doing with your car. That's why Tech is supposed to be an "eyes-only" affair. If a guy's car is found to be non-compliant, the only official public statement is that the car is "go" or "no-go". The extent of the rules infraction is generally not made public. On the other hand, if the organizers, stewards, and scrutineers go into this event with an "open hood" policy like is used at the Solo Nationals, we can find ways to make that happen under the rules.

All of the points about teardowns are valid. I would prefer to not do engine teardowns, but that's the only way to get to the truth. Runoffs teardowns are invasive and the competitor is left with box of parts at the end. Non-invasive devices like the Whistler seem to have inconsistent results. Unfortunately, the time constraints of a two-day weekend force us to find quick answers, but the IT rules, particularly with regard to camshafts, don't provide quick answers. This will require more thought. Rulz iz rulz and a steward can get into hot water by not enforcing them. On the other hand, my philosophy as a Chief Steward is that the penalty should fit the infraction.

I don't know how much of an issue doctored fuel is in IT. Fortunately, fuel testing is getting fairly consistent at a National level. On the other hand, I have some strong opinions about the validity of our dielectric constant rules that are probably best left for another conversation. The reagent testing, however, is pretty conclusive.

Starting on the back stretch. Wow. I never cared for it at the Runoffs, but it does change the nature of the racing and it's almost a necessity with a big field at Mid Ohio. It requires some Pace Car juggling to keep the fields in check and it does require more Starters.

I'd like to see this event happen. The ARRC has been very successful for Atlanta Region. An old race promoter once told me that it takes about three years for a new event to prove itself. It sounds like Cincinnati Region is taking a long view of this event and that's A Good Thing. It may not work out the first year, but there is great potential.

Bob...
 
Hi guys, though you would like to look at this another way. This is the PROPOSAL as it stands with the Race Committee. and to be presented to the board in January.

Saturday morning 30 minute qualifying all groups.

Saturday Afternoon 1st race 45 minutes all groups. Top Three each class Trophy.

Sunday Morning 30 minute race all groups. Top Three each class Trophy.
Sunday Afternoon 45 minute race all groups ( Overall champ crowned for each class down through a yet to be determined place) ( Say 10th???) Plus, Top Three each class Trophy.

"Top Three trophies" each class each race. may actually be Gold, Silver and Bronze medals. ( Repeat winners will have plenty of hardware to show off with. ) LOL

Points system ( TBA) but all FOUR sessions count towards the overall. Each class.

How does that look?

Todd
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That looks great!! Thanks for all the hard work!!
 
Andy,

You are correct. We are still talking but Club course is winning.

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Club course?? But why?? :( :( :(

I really think the pro course will produce better racing, and thats what it's all about. There are pleny of other areas at MO that are curvy and technical.
 
I have a question for the guys who have never been to Mid Ohio before. Hypothetically speaking, would you rather have two 15 minute or one 30 minute qualifying session?

Personally, I think I'd rather have two sessions so I could tweak on set-up a little bit, but I could see how others might want to just run a bunch of laps in a single longer session.
 
Club course?? But why?? :( :( :(

I really think the pro course will produce better racing, and thats what it's all about. There are pleny of other areas at MO that are curvy and technical.
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Yea Jake, I can't believe this either! Other regions run the pro course and have a lot of success. I can't believe there are so many afraid of a little change. Variety is the spice of life, just maybe not in this case. <_<
 
I have a question for the guys who have never been to Mid Ohio before. Hypothetically speaking, would you rather have two 15 minute or one 30 minute qualifying session?

Personally, I think I'd rather have two sessions so I could tweak on set-up a little bit, but I could see how others might want to just run a bunch of laps in a single longer session. [/b]



Kevin has a point, if your by yourself 2- 15 min sessions are better, if you have a crew, 30 mins would be fine for tweaking.
 
But two 15 minute sessions does not equal one 30 minute session. You have to take into account swap over time for all the run groups. Would probably end up two 10-12 minute qualifiers.
 
Andy is correct that more sessions means less overall track time because of the turn-over time between sessions. There are ways to address that. For one, you can make it clear to the competitors that some session breaks will be short and some will be longer. For instance, what we did at the Runoffs for qualifying sessions was make the breaks 5, 5, and 15 minutes. If a car could be stuffed in a safe place during the short breaks, that's what we did and then picked them up during a long break. As long as your operating stewards, F&C, and emergency workers are on the ball and playing from the same book, you can make this work and still stay on time.

Oh, time is an issue at Mid Ohio. In the past, the track has charged extra for going past 5pm with an absolute drop-dead time of 6pm.

How many race groups are we talking about? I once fiddled around with a National race schedule that had 9 race groups with practice, qualifying, and races over two days. It wasn't pretty. Eight groups is about the maximum for a two-day weekend using National racing track time rules.

Bob...
 
could consider the nasa methods for turnovers with cars taking track out at one end while coming on course at the other with a double yellow till the first group is off. i do think that this is quicker but not necessarily for between races. then i like the traditional pre-grid areas.

kevin, others that have done this? what do you think just for qualifying?

i like the idea of two shorter sessions rather than one long one.

and i am one of the sticks in the mud that wants the club course just because i like it better. if i can make it to this event, it will be as more to meet people and have a good time and get mid-ohio track time than it will be to race for the win. let's face it, there are more "losers" than winners at any race.

but fun can be had by all!
 
Bob,

Those of us who know you really appreciate your well thought comments. It is people like you adding your input who will help make this event a success. Your perspective is always considered valuable.

Merry Christmas!


Kevin,

I'll be here through February. Ron Sharp arrives in a few days and others to follow. Dorcy usually is around a few times. It is a good time.
 
Something to consider from someone who has worked as a course marshall for club and proevents.......

During long sessions, if a car runs off into the trap at the keyhole, we go double yellow until a crew can get the car out and safe. Cars are in the trap at the keyhole far more often when using the PRO course rather than the CLUB course.

So figure at least 3 laps for every time someone runs off at the Keyhole. As a competitor, I will cast my vote for the maximum amount of green flag condition as is possible.
 
Something to consider from someone who has worked as a course marshall for club and proevents.......

During long sessions, if a car runs off into the trap at the keyhole, we go double yellow until a crew can get the car out and safe. Cars are in the trap at the keyhole far more often when using the PRO course rather than the CLUB course.

So figure at least 3 laps for every time someone runs off at the Keyhole. As a competitor, I will cast my vote for the maximum amount of green flag condition as is possible. [/b]

I beleive this IF your talking about GT1 or AS regional drivers. It drivers have much better brakes and know how to use them. ;)
 
Important upcoming Dates,

January 8th Race Committee discusses the Performance Driving X-perience to be held on August 10th and how to best serve new students AND competition drivers coming for the race weekend.

January 16th Race Committee presents the proposal of the PDX, I.T. / SPEC festival to the Cincinnati Board for approval.

Merry Christmas,

Todd C.
Cincinnati Race Chair
 
It will be very interesting to see how the PDX event is handled since I'm sure there will be many of us racers who will be seaking to enter the event for track time. I'm sure you've had this discussion with Butch, but the ARRC test & tune day prior to the event has very large turn outs.
 
For those of you who have never heard of a (PDX) it is a sanctioned SCCA event similar to driver schools that other clubs run. We are still working with PDX 1 which has three groups. Novice w/ instructors. Intermediate ( no instructor needed while on track), and a instructors group which can take their own cars out. The rules state passing in designated areas only with a point from car being passed. The whole day would be under the same PDX rules. So it would technically be a Test and Tune for those competitors that we can include.

Also for those of you who have read the discussions on " Pro Course vs. Club Course". Mid-Ohio has two configurations approaching the " Key Hole" if you watch Pro Events televised from Mid-Ohio the configuration used is called the " Pro course ". Basically they bypass a set of corners that goes "Right, Left, Right" as you enter the "Key Hole". If you have any race tape's of the Run-offs from 1994 till 2004 you will see the " Club Course" in action.

Todd
 
Todd, I know this is a silly question but I have to ask. You'll be using the same course on the PDX day that will be used during the race weekend, correct?

Have you thought about doing more than 3 groups? Any idea how many instructors you'll be using? I'm sure many others have the same feeling as I do: if I'm making the trek out there, might as well do the PDX day in addition to the race event.
 
Yes we are planning to use the same course configuration for the PDX. The instructors group is in flux due to not knowing how many novice students will sign up . We anticipate that there will be room in the group for additional instructors . Also we are looking into the rules and time to see if we can add a group. The PDX Chairman should have all that info to us by the Jan. 8th Race Committee meeting. Stay Tuned!

Todd
 
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